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Is there a way of finding out if two people are related without ordering birth certificates? My Great Great Grandmother Kate Cullum born 1885 had in her possession a birth certificate for Catherine Ling born 1866 in Suffolk. Nobody in our family knows why she would have had this. Closest link I have found is in the census records whereby the Cullum family lived a couple of houses down from a William Ling widow. This is in the 1891 census. Any suggestions would be greatly recieved.

1871 poss

Name: Catherine H Ling
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Harriette I
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelmondiston, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Chelmondiston
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Samford
Sub-registration district: Holbrook
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Ling 47 Hadleigh, Suffolk - farmer of 240 acres
Harriette I Ling 31 London
Caroline A Ling 8
Frederic G Ling 7
Catherine H Ling 4
Adelaide M Pitre 20 - governess
Susan Grodman 67 - servant
Catharine Garrod 17 - servant



Do you still have the birth cert for the names of parents etc





This one is a boarder in 1881 census

When did Kate Cullum marry?

possible.1881 census living with Roe family

Kate Ling 1866 Blahall Suffolk. occ nursemaid
Ellen Ling 1865 Blayhall Suffolk occ housemaid

living Hill House Wickham Market

OR
John Ling 1841 Holbrook Suffolk
Harriet wife 1845 Harkstone Suffolk
Emily dau 1879 Holbrook
Ada no age Gt Holland Essex
KATE LING niece 1867 Holbrook Suffolk

Address Church Lane Great Holland Essex

1891 is she Kate M Cullum ?

Name: Kate M Cullum
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Hornchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Hornchurch
Town: Hornchurch
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Hornchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Cullum 35
Caroline Cullum 35
Louisa J Cullum 16
Pricilla M Cullum 11
Minnie Cullum 9
Kate M Cullum 6
Gertrude A Cullum 3



Think the members could do with some feed back

Heres the family in 1881
Robert Culham 1855 Misley Suffolk occ brick maker
Caroline wife 1853 Oakley? Essex
Priscilla 1874 Shotley
Louisa 1875 Upminster

living cottage Shotley

Kate's birth:

Births Jun 1885 Culham Kate Ipswich 4a 770

Rose

thanks for your suggestions. The birth certificate for Catherine Ling is in my possession. Her dad was William Ling her mother Elizabeth Smith. Catherine was born in Plomesgate.I have surmised that the only reason you would hold onto a birth certificate is if that person was a close relation. Kates maiden name is Cullum. If she is the daughter of Catherine it means Catherine was involved with Robert Cullum (Kate's dad) I am also assuming Catherine may have died when Kate was young which would explain why she became a Cullum. I just do not know how to find the link between Catherine Ling and Kate Cullum.

Hi,

So this must be Catherine;

1871 England Census
about Kate Ling
Name: Kate Ling
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Blaxhall, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Blaxhall
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
Town: Blaxhall
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Plomesgate
Sub-registration district: Wickham Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
William Ling 27
Elizabeth Ling 25
Maryann Ling 6
Kate Ling 5


Dee x

In 1881 she is a servant.

1891 England Census
about Kate Ling
Name: Kate Ling
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sarah E
Gender: Female
Where born: Blaxhall, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Blaxhall
Ecclesiastical parish: Blaxhall
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plomesgate
Sub-registration district: Orford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Ling 47
Sarah E Ling 45
Kate Ling 25
John N Ling 17
Arthur Ling 16
Sarah E Ling 14
Reginald Ling 11
Alice L Ling 9

Is this Kates father and family?

1881 England Census
about Robert Culham
Name: Robert Culham
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Misley, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Shotley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Brick Maker

Registration district: Samford
Sub-registration district: Holbrook
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Culham 26
Caroline Culham 28
Louisa Culham 6
Priscilla Culham 7


Dee x

This looks like Catherine Ling, after she marries;

1901 England Census
about Catherine Cooper
Name: Catherine Cooper
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John A
Gender: Female
Where born: Blaxhall, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: Forton St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Alverstoke
Sub-registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 246
Household Members: Name Age
John A Cooper 40 Born West Mersea, Essex
Catherine Cooper 35
Mabel C Cooper 6



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>>>Cooper John Arthur Tendring 4a 574
>>>>>>>>>>>>Ling Catherine Tendring 4a 574
Long Sophia Charlotte Tendring 4a 574
Padgen William John Tendring 4a 574



Dee x

Maybe the 1911 census?

HOUSEHOLD COOPER CATHERINE F 1866 45 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD COOPER MABEL CATHERINE F 1895 16 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD COOPER JOHN ARTHUR M 1861 50 Tynemouth Northumberland


The ladies of the household confirm a birth place of Blaxhall.......... now I wonder if the original transcript states how many children Catherine (born 1866) had?????



Dee x

The transcript says -

Children born alive to present marriage - 1.

Married 17 years.

Thanks for all the suggestions.Not sure Catherine lived up North as Kate Cullum I believe moved to Kent and spent the rest of her life there, however the surname cooper does ring a bell. Definately food for thought. Thankyou for your help.