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I seem to have a problem regarding my grandmother's marriage.
I gained some knowledge years back from both my grandmother, Ada Banks, and my father:
Her father, Charles Banks, ran away from home and settled in Pevensey where he married and had many children (14). He was a carpenter/house builder. I also knew that Ada, born on 4 July in about 1874 in Pevensey (where we had often taken her in old age to see the village), married William Hobbs, a butcher, and they lived in south London, producing 4 children. My father would often mention that they all lived in Keith Grove, Shepherds Bush. I know she was not young when she married as he was the fourth child and she was in her 40's when he was born.
On researching I found Ada Mary Banks' christening on 29 November 1874 in Westham (where her 13 siblings were also baptised). I also found her in many censuses, including 1901 when she lived alone in Eastbourne.
(Pevensey and Westham are adjoining villages, in the same road and only just divided by Pevensey Castle. Westham Church is only a few houses west of the castle whilst Pevensey church is also almost within a stone's throw of the castle to the east.)
I purchased the certificate of what I thought was Ada's marriage to William Hobbs on 29 April 1912 in St Leonard's, Hastings. (A year before my Aunt Kathleen was born in south London):-
William Edward Hobbs is 34, bach, a butcher, of Keith Grove, Shepherd's Bush, and Ada Banks (Mary not written) 28, spinster, of 61 Bohemia Road, St Leonard's. Her father is given as John Banks, butcher.
I realised that her age was incorrect - should be 37, also that as her father had died in 1899, she had 'used' John for the purpose of the wedding. John is Ada's 1st cousin once removed: John's mother is Elizabeth GURR, and the sister of Ada Mary's grandfather John GURR.
I have never found my Ada Banks bn 1874 in the 1911 census - another mystery.
BUT I recently found a John Banks in 1911 living at 61 Bohemia Road, St L.! He had a daughter, Ada, who I found was born 1883 in St Leonards and therefore the right age to be the Ada in the marriage.
Can anyone help me with this problem - with so much information to hand before the receipt of the certificate, I can't help wondering what is true! - or have I got it ALL wrong?
Many thanks
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1901?
Name: Ada Banks
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Georgina
Gender: Female
Where born: St Leonards, Sussex, England
Civil parish: St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonards on Sea St Matthew
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address: 74 Bohemia
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
John Banks 42 born Pevensey - butcher, shopkeeper
Georgina Banks 37
Charles Banks 23
Kate Banks 21
Ada Banks 19
Ernest Banks 19
Emily Banks 15
Fanny Lewry 16
What is the age and occupation of John on 1911 census?
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There must be 2 Ada Banks one with the middle name Mary. You must have the wrong marriage cert. Age and father wrong
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1911 census.
I put Ada born 1874 + minus 2 born Pevensey. It comes up with Ada Mary Asprey 1875
living Romford Essex
Living with her.
Elisha George Asprey 1874
Frederick Alexander Asprey 1890
George Asprey 1905
marriage
Elisha George Asprey 1903 dec qt Brentford to Ada Banks gro ref 3a 236
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1911 census.
Using place of birth Westham as found on the 1881 census
Ada Paul 1874
living Eastbourne
No other Paul with her
Sorry there is Ada Paul born 1874 Westham on the 1901 census
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Have you got your father's birth certificate with her maiden name on it?
Did Ada Mary have a brother called John? Could that be the John Banks butcher with daughter Ada? It wasn't unusual to call a child after a sibling.
Could Ada Mary not have married William Hobbs?
sylvia
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Linda,
Assuming that you do not have it all wrong ...
There are two Ada Banks in Sussex on the 1891 and the 1901 census, as you have found, one born about 1874 to Charles (with the family in 1881 and 1891 in Westham) and the other born about 1884 to John (with the family in 1891 and 1901 in St Leonards)
The marriage certificate of 1912 clearly matches the younger Ada; but not necessarily the children. The worrying elements are that the groom details match those of your grandfather.
There are very few Hobbs children born between 1911 and 1920 with mother's maiden name Banks. Kathleen in 1913 in Fulham; Kenneth in Sussex in 1915; and David in Hammersmith in 1920. (The other birth of Arthur in 1913 in Portsmouth seems unlikely to be the same family).
Is Kenneth Kathleen's sister, or is he the son of the younger Ada?
Are you having difficulty finding the older Ada's marriage to a William Hobbs because she had previously married and the marriage was registered in her previous married name?
There is an Ada Hobbs who died in Cuckfield in 1973, giving a year of birth of 1883, which would fit with the younger Ada - was this your grandmother?
Edit: waves to Sylvia, missed your post, can't believe I've been hunting for 30 mins!
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Had a pm from Linda
"In 1911 John Banks is aged 60 and a butcher/shopkeeper, Georgina 52 and married 37y, Ernest 29, Ada 27, Emily 26"
That seems quite a good match to 1901 census
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