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Gillian

I was just advising that any information you have needs to be posted on the thread - which is where we are now - and not in a private message. You obviously now know how to post on the thread, so carry on doing so.

So far we have found that Sarah Paton did not die until Sept 1851, and the father remarried to Sarah Rimmer in March 1853.

Does that seem feasible Gillian? Did you make a mistake about the first wife dying in 1850, or did you find one that you thought was correct?

Dear MargaretManson

Yes, happy with what you say. Just concerned that Gill said first wife had died 1850. Wonder why she thought that.

Gillian - any comment?

To Margaret thankyou so much for the information you have found for me .Iam not sure what you mean by the thread so apologise if i am doing this wrong.Once again many thanks.Regards Gillian

Madmeg, first wife Sarah Norris died Sep, Q 1851, Newington, after the census. James married second wife Sarah Rimmer March Q 1853, Newington.

It doesn't look like his wife died in 1850:

1851 England Census
about Julia M Pater
Name: Julia M Pater
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 205
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Pater 33 Married, Wife
Amelia E Pater 9
Louisa S Pater 1
Julia M Pater 5
Alice K Pater 2
Clarissa J Pater 1

16 Frederick Place, St Mary, Newington.

Death of first Sarah? (Note it's after census)

Deaths Sep 1851 (>99%)
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PATON Sarah Newington 4 245


Remarriage to another Sarah?

Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%)
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PATON James Newington 1d 237
RIMMER Sarah Newington 1d 237

Mother's still alive although she says she's born Liverpool now.
1861 census
2 Queens Place, Camberwell, London
James Paton, head, 40, toll collector, borb Southwark St. Georges
Sarah, wife, 41, born Liverpool
Julia M., dau, 15, born Lambeth
Alice K., dau, 13, born St. Mary Newington
Clarissa J., dau, 11, born "

Update: She's Sarah the Second!

Parents marriage?

Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)
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NORRIS Sarah Newington 4 374
PATON James Newington 4 374

This looks like the girls with their mother:
1851 census
16 Frederick Place, St. Mary newington, Surrey
Sarah Pater/Paten, wife, 33, general dealer, born Surrey, Southwark
Amelia E., dau, 9, born "
Louisa S., dau, 7, born Newington
Julia M., dau, 5, born Lambeth
Alice K, dau, 2, born Newington
Clarissa J., dau, 1, born "

Gillian has pmd me with the following:

Father was James Paton born 1820; the girls were louisa sarah born 1843, julia mary born 1846, alice kate born 1848, and clarrisa jane born 1850, all from camberwell south london but james was in bexleyheath on the 1851 cencus .

I have advised her how to reply on the thread..

Depending on their ages he may well have had to farm them out to members of his family or even his neighbours. He would have needed to work to keep them from the workhouse.

My gr grandmother died when my grandfather was 2 years old. My mother told me of her father's memories of "living with an aunt in the country" so I assume my grandfather stayed with one of his father's sisters for a while until his father got back on his feet or until my grandfather was old enough to go to school and not need so much looking after. My grandfather's only sister was "adopted" by another family (at least that is what it says in the 1881 census) - I believe this was because she was the only girl. She maintained contact with the family though as by the time she was married she was living in the same road as my gr grandfather.

So, check the father's siblings - and the mother's siblings too. Then, trawl for the children one by one if needs be on the census.

I doubt that they would be too far from their dad.

Jill

Gillian,

Can we have some names please? And places of birth/residency?

can anyone give me any help with 1851 cencus i can find the father but none of his four children his wife had died in 1850.the four girls are back with him on yth 1861 cencus.Has anyone any ideas where to look for them.