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Yes Jill , Philcox is quite a rare name it seems , so maybe Walter will tie in somewhere : )

Yes Marion , that is the family in 1881 . It seems that Samuel and Ruth where staying with friends Essex and where not with the rest of the family for the cencus .

Is this them on the 1881?

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Henry George PHILCOX Head M Male 55 Brighton, Sussex, England Refreshment Contractor 16/1
Mary PHILCOX Wife M Female 55 Edbuston, Sussex, England
James Alfred PHILCOX Son U Male 18 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Shopman Gen
Henry Nelson PHILCOX Son U Male 16 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Kate BARNARD Servant U Female 16 Brighton, Sussex, England General Serv Domestic

Source Information:
Dwelling 37 Tresco Road
Census Place Camberwell, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341159
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0686 / 59
Page Number 57

Yes - on Ancestry LMA records.

I'm not sure about Walter either but Philcox seems a fairly rare name so thought it worth adding him.

Jill

I'm going to have to come off here for awhile but I shall look in again later.

I'm not sure about Walter Mrs Grumpy......the family / couple where deffiantly in Bermondsey by 1851 .......but thank you all the same : ))

Thank you very much Mrs Grumpy.........where did you find that baptism ? is it on the London ancestors thingy ?

This is the only burial I can spot (so far) for a child around that time. No address is given:

Walter Philcox
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 26 Mar 1854
Age: 3y 4 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Parish: St Mary, Bromley St Leonard
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex


Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary, Bromley Saint Leonard, Register of burials, P88/MRY2, Item 057

Looking at baptisms now. Found this one:

James Alfred Philcox.
Parents Henry and Mary (Henry is a confectioner)

Bp: 18 June 1882
Adult christening - born - 19 Aug 1862.

Address: 37 Tresco Road, Peckham Rye.

Jill

Thanks for that Mrs Grumpy : )
Desperatlyseeking , that is most interesting, I guess it could be a possiability .

Do you have the marriage cert?


Henry George Philcox
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Davey
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Aug 1845
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: George Philcox
Spouse Father Name: George Davey


Source Citation: Guildhall, St Andrew Holborn, Register of marriages, 1844 - 1846, P69/AND2/A/01/Ms 6672/13

Jill

Might not be relevant in your case, but I remember watching Who do you think you are, there was an expert saying that syphilis was rife in the 1800's. Apparently it caused miscarriages, then stillbirths, then neonatal deaths, then normal children, almost as if the effects wore off each pregnancy. I too have a family couple like yours, may be a reason?

Hello David ......yes I did that and found one possiability George Philcox born in 1849 Bermondsey looks like he might have been theirs.

I have a couple in my tree ( G.G.Grandparents ) and I am having doubts about the Mrs actually being the Mother of the children.

Henry George Philcox and Mary Ann Davey married on 8th August 1845 at Holborn . I have found them in all of the censuses. The first born child mentioned is in the 1861 cencus ( Samuel , 1 year old born in Bermondsey ) . I notice they have a young female servant at the time .
Next child along is Ruth Eliza ( my G.Grandmother ) b. 28th April 1861 ( Mary Davey is named as her MOther on the birth cert .)
Two other children follow ( James Alfred b. 1862 and Henry Nelson b. 1864 )
I find it really difficult to believe that they went 15 years without children then had four in rapid succession .
What do others think ...please .