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I have the marriage certificate of Robert John Christian Syers to Isobel Ballantyne in Brentford in 1940. Roberts father was Robert William Syers, mother thought to be a Florence.

However, searches have not revealed a birth registration for Robert John Christian although his daughter says it was 2nd February. From his marriage certificate he was born in 1899/1900. I found a registration for a Robert J C Syers but also a death for the same year - ugh!!! As for father Robert William, I only know (again from the marriage cert) he was a merchant and deceased by 1940. Any ideas or tips to help me out with this one.? By the way, Robert John Christian Syers lived in Twickenham at the time of his marriage, working as a machine operator in munitions.

Jackie

have you looked for them on the 1911 census.

wonder if this is dad
Name: Robert W Syers
Death Registration Month/Year: 1920
Age at death (estimated): 44
Registration district: St Olave
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 213


AHH that death would be this one on the 1901 census

Name: Robert Syers
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Florence
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:60 Guiness Trust Buildings- Lages Walk
Occupation:General Carman

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Syers 26
Florence Syers 24

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 389; Folio: 138; Page: 10.

Doesn't seem to have been them,though:
1911 census transcription details for: 316 Guinness Buildings P W Bermondsey
RG14PN1883 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED16 SN306


Reg. District: St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District: Bermondsey
Parish: Bermondsey Enum. District: 16
Address: 316 Guinness Buildings P W Bermondsey
SYER, Robert William Head Married
12 years M 36 1875 Carman To General Carrier Stoke Newington
SYER, Florence Rebecsa Wife Married F 32 1879 Southwark
SYER, Violet May Daughter F 7 1904 Bermondsey
SYER, Dorothy Alexandra Daughter F 1 1910 Bermondsey
SYER, Reseline Emily Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Bermondsey

Says 3 children living and they're accounted for.

Maureen

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

Yes - i also thought this could have been them - however, no Robert John Christian Syers in 1911. We know he had a brother Noel Syers, the religious artist...again no birth registration for him either. I have got back to the grand daughter and she seems to think that Robert William Syers owned hotels in Germany and the name Robert Schrader Syers rings bells (nothing found anywhere about this). I seem to have hit a solid brick wall,

Found this on FMP:
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mr R J C SYERS
Date of departure: 2 April 1925
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Cape
Destination country: South Africa

Date of Birth: 1900 (calculated from age)
Age: 25
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Clerk
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 3
Ship: CITY OF SPARTA
Official Number: 106082
Master's name: E Oleson
Steamship Line: Ellerman & Bucknall
Where bound: Durban (Port Natal), South Africa
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 5415
Passengers on voyage: 26

Says country of permanent residence is South Africa.

Maureen

maybe


Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Schrader Robert John C Chelsea 1a 416



One World Tree on Ancestry has Florance married to Robert Schrader.

Florance apparently changed the family name during WW1 to Syers, after her divorce from her German husband.

Brilliant,Choccy!!!!
1911 census transcription details for: 31 Russell Road Kensington W

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN88 RG78PN4 RD2 SD1 ED2 SN153


Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington South
Parish: Kensington Enum. District: 2
Address: 31 Russell Road Kensington W
County: London

SCHRADER, Roberts Head Married
12 years M 38 1873 Private Means Germany Resident
SCHRADER, Florence Wife Married
12 years F 38 1873 Peru South America Resident
SCHRADER JR, Robert Son M 11 1900 School London Chelsea
SCHRADER, Noel Son M 7 1904 London Greatham
GOODMAN, Ann Serving Single F 48 1863 At Present Nurse Midwife Cty Berkshire Deadworth Green
BALDWIN, Minnie Servant F 38 1873 Housemaid London Paddington
HOMEWOOD, Florence Servant F 23 1888 Cook Cty Sussex Arundel


Maureen

could be Noel -



Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
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SCHRADER Noel William H Wandsworth 1d 714

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

I am overwhelmed by everyone's kindness in helping me with this one. I've been tearing my hair out over it for the past couple of weeks. I had tried searching for Robert Schrader Syers but when the marriage certificate came up with Robert William, I was completely thrown.
Also thank you for looking on the 1911 census Maureen, as I know you have to pay for that. I am happy to look up any relatives you may be hunting in exchange, as I have a few credits left.
Thanks again
Jackiex

Woah! Am now on a roll. I have just ordered the naturalisation papers of a Henry William Robert Schrader from TNA. Thank you everyone.