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Please can sks from NZ give me hand please I have been told my great- grandfather was born in Invercargill to a Maori mother and a George Day who was crew on ships traveling back and forward from Tasmania , I wrote to Invercargill Family History and the lady I contacted said there are a number of Islands of the coast that the ships called at and that I I would be best contacting Maori Records is there some way I can do that via email as I am in OZ Regards Lara

Hi 3L,
Are you suggesting that there was a marriage in NZ? If so, what year?
The ship called at various islands - in NZ? Only the 3 major islands have ports with wharf facilities as far as I know.
Have you tried bdmonline.dia.govt.nz for a marriage. Maori records were kept seperately in early years but within the same system, (waiting for someone to shoot me down) but doubt there is any likelihood of a Govt. Dept doing a search for you.
Get back to me if you have no joy - no promises
B

Hello these are the marriages of George Day of BDM in NZ from 1870 to 1930 thats as far as we can go with Marriages Hope they help Registration Number Bride's Given
Name(s) Bride's Family
Name Groom's Given
Name(s) Groom's Family
Name
1922/2502 Ellen Mary May Aley Frederick George Day Order Product
1911/2214 Alice May Angove George Day Order Product
1904/5478 Rose Sarah Ashley George Buich Herbert Day Order Product
1894/385 Evangeline Violet Letitia Victoria Brooks George Frederick Day Order Product
1911/7730 Florence Genevieve Adelle Calvert George Frederick Day Order Product
1925/6864 Olive Louisa Howell William George Day Order Product
1901/3557 Flora Jessie Louisa Hurndell Isaac George Day Order Product
1914/2282 Mary Kathleen O'Brien Henry George Day Order Product
1887/3385 Mary Ann O'Farrell Harry George Day Order Product
1925/9286 Edna Kathleen Pannill George Day Order Product
1926/317 Blanche Mirriam Peach George William Day Order Product
1883/470 Constance Mary Percival George Frederick Day Order Product
1917/382 Eileen Lorna Perry George Randolph John Day Order Product
1911/7748 Constance Emily Elizabeth Plaw George Frederick Day Order Product
1927/6352 Winifred Ida Robertson George Robert Elliott Day Order Product
1911/8842 Alice Lydia Seward George Day Order Product
1925/1510 Lily Mitle Smith George Day Order Product
1911/5340 Grace Mary Thorn Ronald George Day Order Product
1913/4503 Ellen Florence Vaughan George Adam Day Order Product
1915/2164 Minnie Elizabeth Webb Ernest George Day Order Product
1892/882 Edith White George Day Order Product
1875/2574 Elizabeth Wilson George Day Order Product

hi Lara
having looked at the list that annette has made, i can't say that any of the women have obvious Maori names.
could your family have been refering to a native girl from the islands?
do you have their childs (your grand parent) birth cert. this will have the mothers name and stop you guessing.

Hi everyone sorry haven't got back sooner been having words with my internet server NOT finally got it sortof sorted today after speaking to fiften people Telstra GRRR.
Bernie, Annette and Jeannie I really appreciate your help
first off Bernie the lady from Inverness FH told me that the ships usually called in to islands of the coast down there rarely came to Inverness and that the sailors had a lot of socialising with the Maori girls from there but he did say he was born in Inverness .
I don't think he ever married Samuel's mother . I thought maybe Mary O'Loughlin was her name and that she too was a daughter of a Maori girl and a Scottish or Irish or English lad herself .
Samuel born c 1834 on his death bed told his daughter my Nana that he was born in Inverness and there was Maori blood in our family as his mother was Maori , he also said when he was still an infant he taken by George his father back to Tasmania on a cattle ship.George was already married in Tasmania and four or five children to his wife Mary Backall Beckell and numerous other spellings of her name .
I have found out that this George Day took his wife and family to live in NZ and on his death certificate he had a child named Simon.,but when his wife died a little later there was no Simon on her death Certificate , I have puzzled over whether this is Samuel but the the dates don't gel either as when he was married Samuel , said he was 26 in 1872 but when he died in 1934 he was said to be 100 which doesn't add up either
Have I tried BDM NZ yes and there was Samuel Day born there but he would have been only 7 when my Samuel married .please suggest any thing that might help me I believe there is a minister in NZ who has the Maori BDM for this time Ijust don't know if they are accessable online
Thanks to you all Lara

Hi twice, threeL,
I think that there are a few problems with your information.
Ships that were able to sail from Tasmania would not have put ashore at any small islands in NZ - as there would not have been the population there to warrant it. I think the suggestion that it was some of the Pacific Islands; Fiji, Tonga, etc that were meant, seems right.
NZ death certificates do not name children - unless they were the informant. The informant was normally the funeral director and not family. The most that a cert would show is living children by sex and age, and that only after 1912.
Sorry, but I am a bit confused as to which Samuel Day was born in NZ and who was born in Inverness.
Maori BDM fiche are available in most major libraries until the records were merged. If you can clarify your query with approximate dates and names then I might be able to check next week.
Good luck,
B

Sorry Jeannie I don't have birth certificate for Samuel no he married without one which maybe in those days was ok but a darn nuisance for me now a days, after he married and had 7 of his fourteen children he changed his name to O'Day so some kept using Day and some O'Day he was buried as an O'Day too and his wife Mary was O'Day too there is nothing on their headstone re parents either no dates of birth either so he is going to have me going to my grave i think with out solving this mystery , many years ago our mother told us there was a rumour that we had Maori blood
and when my mother asked her MIL about she nearly had a fit , but as she asked her father on his death bed she really had some idea too we don't consider it to be something we needed to hide we are proud of it we just want some proof who he really was and where Samuel came from and his parents too. But as those who came to the Colonies were told to drop the O's in front of their names and the MC's and were not allowed to be Roman Catholic I guess she was still in that mode of not wanting to be another race people would be like they were to the Irish Catholics at that time . Thanks again for trying to help me
Kind Regards Lara

Hello again Bernie well the information I got re Georges death certificate came from a lady in NZ so I will get back to her and try and clarify re Georges death certificate who the informant was and who was the informant who left the child out was too.
the reason she knows this info is because she is trying also to find out if she descends from this George and Mary as her great grandmother married a descendant of theirs but years after her son had been born and as he is this ladies ancestor and she has no way of finding out if he is the actual son of the Day descendant that her great grandmother married or a child of another relationship
I am not able to give you dates Bernie re George's death unless I can contact Marg ( NZ lady ) which I will try to do asap.

regards Lara

hi lara

sound like the family is being very difficult. 'imagine not having a birth cert'!
funny that you say the MIL has a fit if you mention Maori ancestory. my husbands grandnmother refused to admit that her g father was born in Australia because of the 'criminal' stigma, even though we proved his family were not transported (mores the pity, would have made for a more interesting tree)

keep looking detective work is fun.

I can rule out "1911/7730 Florence Genevieve Adelle Calvert George Frederick Day Order Product" for you. Florence was the daughter of Charles Augustus Calvert MRCVS and Annie M Harris.