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Thank you Hibernian, have pm'd you

Sue

Hi Sue,

All the best for later - it will need printing - I tried to put the enumerator info into columns, and then GR removed all the formatting!

Ivy

PS I meant to make a comment about the Stepney place of birth given for most of the family, but I don't know enough about the area to know whether Stpeney is absolutely distinct from Limehouse. I am encouraged, though, that Emily's baptism is given as Stepney, and her father's occupation on the baptism record is baker.

Hello Ivy,

Thank you for taking the time to analyse that, I'll print that off today and see if I can make any sense of it.
Think of me when I am staring at it later :-((

Thank you to everyone who answered, you are all wonderful and I would have been utterly stuck without help.

Sue

Ah, perhaps there should be a daughter Emily in the household in 1891 -there is this baptism from the London Metropolitan Archives records:

Baptism 15 Jun 1884
Emily Elizabeth Bennett
Father Richard George Bennett
Mother Emily Bennett
Parish St Philip, Stepney
Borough Tower Hamlets

So the age for Emily should be 6 (or 7 if her birthday was before the census)

Hi Sue,

I'm not sure whether the previous (deleted) entry sorted it out for you, but to my mind, it does look as if the others had found the correct entry - it is just a shame that the 1891 enumerator was so careless.

There are several things wrong with both the enumeration and the transcriptions, but there are are not very many individuals with the name Richard Ben*t* born in London or Midd* between 1859 and 1863, and only one ever gives his birthplace as Limehouse; in addition, his middle name is George, he married an Emily and his eldest child is named Richard.

The enumerator did write neatly, though, and his entry for the household reads:

Name Relative M/S Age Age Prof/Occ Where born
Richard G Bennett Head M 30 Z Limehouse, London
Emily Do Wife M 23 Stepney, London
Richard Do Son S 3 Do do
Emily Do Dau S 22 Do do
Bertie Do Son S 22 Z Do do

It is difficult to see how the entry can have ended up like this; on the one hand, Bertie should be (perhaps) Benjie, and age 2; Richard should be aged 8; Emily should be aged 29 or 30 - perhaps they tried to tell the enumerator that he had written down the wrong age, and instead of correcting it, he wrote in another Emily? Certainly, if the parents are 30, they cannot have children aged 22.

The greengrocer occupation is a transcription error - the line above Richard G Bennett is Joseph Townsend, occupation G. Labourer (perhaps general labourer). Alternatively, there is an entry for a greengrocer 10 lines further down the page, which may have been muddled by the transcriber since it is the next entry for anyone born in Limehouse. The "Z " against Richard and his purportedly 22 year old son are marks made a little later when carrying out the statistical analysis of the occupations listed on the census returns. I presume the statistician simply assumed that the women and the 3 year old would not have any occupation.

For my mind, then, it will be your ancestor's entry, but that is only an opinion - it would be ruled out if there is another individual on the 1881 or 1901 census, say, who matches this description.

Hi LB

I am getting so confused :-((

Don't think they are right. If you can find them I will stop taking paracetemol....lol

Sue

Could this be him in the 1891 census....going to look at image

Name: Richard T Bennette
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard T Bennette 30 (the initial looks to be a 'G' to me) no occupation given
Emily Bennette 23
Richard Bennette 3
Emily Bennette 22
Bertie Bennette 22

This is the same entry as Pollypoppets

Polly,

All birth places are given as Limehouse, does that help you?

Sue

Hi Sue does it say where the children were born from the 1901 census you have given :)

Hi Polly, I would tend to think that's not him because his occupation throughout has been a baker.

This is so maddening because I have been looking for the son Benjamin in 1891 as I thought that would be a good name to trace - so far I have found nothing.

I do appreciate you looking :-))

Sue

Hi have found this on in 1891 but think they have made a mistake with childrens ages
it states emily is 23 daughter and bertie is 22 son

1891 census

Name Richard Bennett
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Green Grocer
Address 137 Oxford Street
District Mile End Old Town, Mile End Old Town Western
Parish
Administrative County London
Birth Place Limehouse
Birth County London
in house
richard head 30
emily wife 23
richard 3
emily 23 ?
bertie 22 ?

Thanks so much Polly that sorts out 1901

Sue

Hi
1901 census

Address 251 Green St
Civil Parish Bethnal Green
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St James The Less
Parliamentary Borough or Division N E Division
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Bethnal Green Boro
Administrative County London
Householder 1
Name Richard Bennett
Relation to Head of Family Servant
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 40
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Journey Baker
Employment Status
Where Born Limehouse London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Arthur W Schafer
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Baker
Employment Status
Where Born Bethnal Green London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Charlotte L Schafer
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 25
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Bethnal Green London
Language
Infirmity

If I am being daft please tell me asap. I am looking for Richard George Bennett;

here he is in 1881:

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1881 England Census
about Richard Bennett
Name: Richard Bennett
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Limehouse, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 68 Harford Str
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Baker

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Bennett 52
Sarah Bennett 50
Eliza Bennett 22
Richard Bennett 20
Sarah Bennett 18
Amelia Chisnall 27
Benjamin Chisnall 2


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 482; Folio: 121; Page: 14; GSU

In 1882 he married Emily Pugh here she is in 1901:

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1901 England Census
about Emily Bennett
Name: Emily Bennett
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 88
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Bennett 40
Richard Bennett 18
Benjamin Bennett 12
John Bennett 8
Rosian Bennett 2 8 months


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 320; Folio: 38; Page: 15.

NB The youngest child's name is Rosina.

Can anyone find either parent in 1891 and Richard George in 1901 please.

Thanks

Sue