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hi, looking for my g grandmother on the 1911 census,i found her in the holytrinity girls school,(certified) address 13 nile street liverpool.her parents both died between the trs 1905-1908,leaving isabella and her sister annie orphans.ive found sister annie living has the adopted daughter of julia butler and her family in 36 exe street toxteth park. my question is does anyone know why a child would be put in an industrial school?was it because she was an orphan with no adult to look after her?why was her sister adopted and not her?does anyone on genes know anything about industrial schools in 1908-1910.x.if i dont reply to posts tonight please forgive me,on the ward tomorrow at 7am,will reply as soon as i get home.thank you.
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* INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL FOR GIRLS, LATER HOLY TRINITY INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL FOR GIRLS, 13 & 15 NILE STREET.
Certified 18th November 1885 for 80 girls. Re-certified in June 1906 for 30 and in 1925 for 60 mixed. Became an Approved School from 1933.
Auxiliary Home, 23 Alfred Street which was certified in 1913 for 7 girls, re-certified in 1918 for 17 girls. See ST GEORGE'S GIRLS' INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL, later regarded as a junior branch, with a combined total of 92.
13 & 15 Nile Street were two private houses in front with other buildings, set around a play yard.
STAFF
1891 - Superintendent Miss Mary Gillard; schoolmistress Miss Frances Beard.
1893 - Superintendent Miss Mary Gillard; schoolmistress Miss Cope; sewing-mistress Miss Moss.
1900 - Mrs Bush resigned her appointment as superintendent after several years of faithful service. She is to be succeeded by Miss Young; schoolmistress Miss Cruickshank; Miss Lindsay succeeded Miss Read as assistant teacher on 13th October 1899.
1903 - Superintendent Miss J.F. Young; schoolmistress Miss M.A. Cruickshank; assistant teacher Miss K Lamont; sewing mistress Miss Urie.
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1911
you haven;t given Isabella's surname.there are a couple of Isabella's listed hopefully one of them is yours
Sched Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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184 YOUNG, Jessie F Head Single F 39 1872 Matron Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
184 LAMONT, Katherine Teacher Single F 30 1881 School Mistress Caithness Wick VIEW
184 COOPER, Mary Teacher Single F 25 1886 School Mistress Aberdeen Peterculter VIEW
184 WATSON, Eliza Teacher Single F 26 1885 Sewing Mistress Lanc Waterloo VIEW
184 RENTON, Jessie Teacher Single F 30 1881 Kitchen Mistress Queen County Reth Downey VIEW
184 REID, Mary Ann Teacher F 31 1880 Laundry Mistress Lanc Liverpool VIEW
184 WOOD, Selina Helen Inmate F 13 1898 School New South Wales Resident VIEW
184 ASHOVER, Daisy Inmate F 12 1899 School Warwick Birmingham VIEW
184 TRANTRAM, Grace Inmate F 2 1909 Cheshire B Head VIEW
184 STEPHENSON, Isabella Inmate F 11 1900 School I O Man Douglas VIEW
184 GRIMSHAW, Ada Inmate F 10 1901 School Lancs Rochdale VIEW
184 DRYSDALE, Margaret Inmate F 9 1902 Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 BOWDEN, Elizabeth Inmate F 14 1897 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HALL, Rebecca Inmate F 13 1898 School Durham South Shields VIEW
184 PYE, Christina Inmate F 9 1902 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
184 AUSTIN, Florence Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Garston VIEW
184 MOTTERSHEAD, Lillian Inmate F 10 1901 School Cheshire B Head VIEW
184 GUY, Gertrude Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Bootle VIEW
184 EVANS, Eliza Inmate F 14 1897 School Carnarvon Alfonwen VIEW
184 JONES, Hannah Inmate F 12 1899 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 BREVINS, Hannah Inmate F 13 1898 School Derbyshire Ilkeston VIEW
184 LITHERLAND, Clara Ann Inmate F 12 1899 School Leicester Loughborough VIEW
184 HETCHER, Mary Ann Inmate F 12 1899 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
184 JONES, Elizabeth Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
184 DEMPSEY, Lilian Inmate F 10 1901 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
184 BUCKNALL, Sarah Inmate F 9 1902 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
184 POWELL, Emma Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
184 JONES, Jane Ann Inmate F 14 1897 School Carnarvon Pwhelli VIEW
184 LAMBERT, Amy Inmate F 11 1900 School Cheshire Rock Ferry VIEW
184 SMITH, Ada Inmate F 14 1897 School Cheshire B Head VIEW
184 WINSTANLEY, Marg Inmate F 10 1901 School Cheshire B Head VIEW
184 WINSTANLEY, Lily Inmate F 14 1897 School Cheshire B Head VIEW
184 LAW, Alice Inmate F 15 1896 School Part Time Lancs L Pool VIEW
184 LANCELEY, Edith Inmate F 9 1902 Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 MCGREGOR, Lily Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Bottle VIEW
184 WHITE, Mabel Inmate F 13 1898 School Cheshire Crewe VIEW
184 DAVIES, Annie Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs L Pool VIEW
184 ROSEVERE, Hannah Inmate F 9 1902 Lancs Manchester VIEW
184 MCDONALD, Isabella Inmate F 13 1898 School Elgin Elgin VIEW
184 LALLEMONT, Sarah Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Oldham VIEW
184 HANNAH, Catharine Inmate F 9 1902 Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HANNAH, Fanny Inmate F 11 1900 Lancs St Helens VIEW
184 TWIST, Annie Inmate F 11 1900 Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 KIRKHAM, Mary Lilian Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 RIMMER, Susan Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Southport VIEW
184 EDWARDS, Eva Inmate F 11 1900 School Cheshire B Head VIEW
184 BOARE, Alice Inmate F 14 1897 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 MITCHELL, Eliza Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 GRISEWOOD, Victoria Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 LEONARD, Florence Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Bootle VIEW
184 USHERWOOD, Edith Inmate F 12 1899 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 BROCKLEBANK, Jane Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 MOORE, Jane Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Wigan VIEW
184 HEBRON, Mary Jane Inmate F 8 1903 Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HEBRON, Ellen Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HEBRON, Charlotte Inmate F 12 1899 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 RENSHAW, Hannah Inmate F 8 1903 Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 BOWDEN, Marg Inmate F 12 1899 School VIEW
184 FITZSIMMONS, Christina Inmate F 12 1899 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 EVANS, Maggie Inmate F 9 1902 VIEW
184 JONES, Elizabeth Inmate F 10 1901 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HASLAM, May Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Bury VIEW
184 WOODCOCK, Jessie Inmate F 15 1896 School Part Time Cheshire Chester VIEW
184 SPELDER, Dinah Inmate F 15 1896 School Part Time Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 SMITH, Margaret Inmate F 15 1896 School Part Time Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HURST, Annie Inmate F 12 1899 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HURST, Maggie Inmate F 10 1901 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 HURST, Janet Inmate F 14 1897 School Part Time Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 PILKINGTON, Ann Inmate F 15 1896 School Part Time Lancs Radcliffe VIEW
184 JAMES, Jessie Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Radcliffe VIEW
184 WILLIAMS, Ellen Inmate F 14 1897 School Lancs Garston VIEW
184 JOHNSON, May Inmate F 11 1900 School Cheshire Bhead VIEW
184 PETERSON, Agnes Inmate F 9 1902 Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 WHITBY, Maggie Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 TURNER, Lilian Inmate F 12 1899 School VIEW
184 WHEELDON, Doris Inmate F 15 1896 School Part-Time Derby Buxton VIEW
184 ROBERTS, Sally Inmate F 11 1900 School Lancs L Pool VIEW
184 NEWBY, Florence Inmate F 10 1901 School Lancs L Pool VIEW
184 DAGNALL, Edith Inmate F 14 1897 School Lancs L Pool VIEW
184 FITZSIMMONS, Elizabeth Inmate F 14 1897 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 WHITEWAY, Florence Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 WATERWORTH, Sarah Inmate F 13 1898 School Lancs Bolton VIEW
184 BENJAMIN, May Inmate F 12 1899 School Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 COLLINS, Vera Inmate F 15 1896 Domestic Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 BAKER, Florence Inmate F 16 1895 Domestic Lancs Lpool VIEW
184 BARRIGAN, Lena Inmate F 16 1895 Domestic Lancs Lpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22194 Reference:
RG14PN22194 RD453 SD3 ED20 SN184
Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
Abercromby Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Liverpool
Address:
13 Nile Street Liverpool County:
Lancashire
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Quite out of the blue I pulled up a page with my Grandfather and his first wifes name on what seemed to be an admission register, they had appeared in court regarding their son playing truant, on reading the web page it said that children who were orphans,families not being able to cope, children wandering and taken in for their own safety or little artful dodgers. evidently many of the kids were put in to trade apprenticeships and in some parishes they were rented out to local business people
It went under the short snappy title of
The North London Certified Truant and Industrial School
High street, Walthamstow
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Hi Suzanne
I too found a great aunt of mine on the 1911in an industrial school in Hampshire. She had just turned 14 and Iv'e no idea how long her stay was.
the records are closed for a hundred years, so it seems I will have to wait.
My understanding is that children were there for various reasons. eg death or illness of a parent, falling in with the wrong company, truancy and I guess what we would now call anti social behaviour.
I believe that the decision for the placement was usually taken by a magistrate, but maybe that was not always the case.
whatever, the regime was pretty tough and usually a fixed term applied.
In my g aunts case her mother died the following year [1912] so I imagine she was there because of illness in the family.
It does seem a shame for one sister to be adopted and the other not.
If anyone else has another take on Industrial schools I would be interested to hear it too.
Hope you got your ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ in OK!
EdIt
Sorry Taela I guess I'm just a very slow typer
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1901
Isabella McDonald
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Andrew
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 64
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew McDonald 28 occupation barman b. Scotland
Ann McDonald 26
Isabella McDonald 3
Annie McDonald 1 week
Ann Davies 25 visitor b Cheshire
7 Rhiwlas St
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thank you very much everyone,victoria your post was very interesting,my g grandmother was the isabella mcdonald mentioned in your list.both her parents were dead by the time she was put into the school,but why was one daughter adopted and one put into a school?maybe she was just hard to handle?she became a servent and in 1915 at the age of 17 she gave birth to my grandfather out of wedlock and he was later adopted,cant find out where she worked and thought maybe the school would have records?will get onto the researcher at the liverpool records office.thank you again everyone for your interesting posts.x
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