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I am stuck with this and if anyone can find the family I would be delighted:

This is the family in 1851

Name: William Knight
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Budworth, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Great Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
William Knight 46
Ann Knight 45
John Knight 17
Margaret Knight 11
Thomas Knight 9
William Knight 6 Mo


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2164; Folio: 16; Page: 24; GSU roll: 87146-87147.

William was my gt, gt Grandpa. He hanged himself in 1853.

Extra Info son John's full name John Bateman Knight, the Bateman is from his mother's maiden name and she was from South Wales.

They had another son called William who was born and died in 1844, the subsequent son they also called William.

The whole family were in the boot and shoe trade.

All the children were born in Great Budworth, Cheshire.

I looked for them before, without success, and have returned to the problem but I just can't find them. Can anyone help please?

Thanks Sue

Here they are in 1841, Sue. I'll keep looking.

1841 England Census
about John Knight
Name: John Knight
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Great Budworth
Hundred: Bucklow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Knight 35
Ann Knight 36
Maria Knight 10
John Knight 8
Betsey Knight 5
Margeret Knight 2

Sue x

Margaret maybe
1861 census
Name: Margaret Knight
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Chorlton Upon Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:housemaid

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Bolthouse 44
Sarah J Bolthouse 43
Constance Bolthouse 15
Edith Bolthouse 14
Edward L Bolthouse 12
Herbert L Bolthouse 11
Sidney L Bolthouse 9
Anne Halliday 40
Sarah Abbott 44
Mary Gambles 43
Margaret Knight 21



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2880; Folio: 112; Page: 8; GSU roll: 543

Thanks Sue, Betsey died in 1855. I had all the Great Budworth records which is how I obtained the info.

Where they went after William died, goodness knows.

Sue x

Hello Shirley, thanks I'll look at that one now.

Sue

I deleted, it double posted!

Sorry Sue - I've searched but I can't find them either. Hopefully someone will else may have better luck.

Sue x

Thanks for trying Sue, frustrating isn't it?

Sue x

Found this in the 1871 census

Thomas Knight (29) Beerhouse Keeper born : St Bredworth, Cheshire in the transcript, but looking at the original it could well be Gt Budworth, Cheshire.

He has a wife Ann (34) from Bala, Merionetshire, Wales
and children Joseph M.B. Knight (3), Mary(1) & Annie(4mths) all born in Manchester, Lancashire.

This could be Thomas Knight born c1842, in which case did the family return to Wales after their fathers death? Just a thought as his wife is from Wales.

The family are also in the 1881 census, transcript has Bidworth but original looks more like Budworth. Worth checking for first names only etc, some of the transcripts are way off, but then the writing is often hard to read.
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1881 census:

Name: Thomas Knight
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Bridworth, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 12 Willow St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Foreman Sizing Yard

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Knight 41
Anne Knight 45
Joseph Knight 13
Mary Knight 11
Annie Knight 10
William Knight 4

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1871 census:

Name: Thomas Knight
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: St Bredworth, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Chorlton On Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Knight 29
Anne Knight 34
Joseph M B Knight 3
Mary Knight 1
Annie Knight 4 months
Gwen Jones 29

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Hope this helps,
Helen

Hi Helen,

Thanks for doing that. That's another branch of the Knights, Joseph Menel Bateman Knight got the Bateman name too! Gwen Jones, sister of wife Anne, was the daughter of Ifan Jones (Anne's father from Bala). She was drafted in as a servant (poor girl) after her sister married.

It's just a coincidence that both gt gt grandfathers married girls from Wales.

I thought that the widow Knight might have gone over to the other Knight branch or teurned to South Wales for a while but I just cannot locate them.

I really appreciate your help. Thanks.

Sue

Am just having a look in Newspapers for the suicide.

John B Knight, 1833, in the 1891 census

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2530; Folio 32; Page 17; GSU roll: 6097640.


Another possibility is that the mother re-married and the younger child/ren are under the Spouse's name.

Or.......

Known problems with 1861 piece numbers:

* Pieces from RG9 where all parishes are missing (we do not have ANY records for these pieces):
145 407 903 1234 4015 4131 4196 4344
219 601 1039 3388 4022 4137 4291 4389

* Pieces from RG9 where one or more parishes are missing (we have SOME records for these pieces):
217 690 2211 3913 4027 4143 4173 4211 4265 4295 4330
220 758 2247 3984 4041 4146 4174 4225 4266 4298
229 837 2365 3991 4077 4149 4178 4228 4270 4299
473 863 2625 4010 4078 4154 4184 4231 4272 4301
485 952 3278 4013 4079 4161 4185 4256 4274 4304
499 1047 3652 4014 4132 4163 4187 4261 4276 4309
541 1194 3735 4024 4133 4164 4190 4262 4280 4314
565 1984 3855 4025 4138 4165 4202 4263 4290 4319

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8767

One thing is for certain.....they are not in Great Budworth 1861 census as I have trawled through it.

Thank you Susan :-))

If you look at my tree you will see what progress I made with the rest of them.

Sue x

Had you considered this entry for 1871?

Name: William Knight
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Scheshire, Great Budworth <<<< image says Cheshire
Civil parish: Chorlton On Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Household schedule number: 255

Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Pilkington* 63 <<<<< widow, born Wales*
William Knight 20 <<<<<< son
Elizabeth Harke 35

*Marriages Dec 1860
Coop Jane Manchester 8d 579
Knight Ann Manchester 8d 579 <<<<<<<
Pilkington James Manchester 8d 579 <<<<<
Royle Samuel Manchester 8d 579

The above might fit with this 1861 entry:

Name: Ann Pilkington
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Abergeley, Wales

Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Household schedule number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pilkington 61
Ann Pilkington 53
Mary Pilkington 33
John Pilkington 21

It looks from the image in 1851 as if the enumerator may have crossed through Abergele, which is why Ancestry have simply indexed her birthplace for 1851 as South Wales.

Ooooo Thanks Ivy, that sounds more promising, you are a marvel. I'll check those out asap.

Thanks again

Sue

Thank you to everyone that helped, pretty sure now that the widow Knight did remarry James Pilkington. Also the fact that she appears to have been born in Abergele is a great help in trying to trace her family.

You are all so kind with your time and effort.

Thanks again

Sue