Genealogy Chat

Thanks Barbara, a good one I think.

But I have had a think about this John, son to Jane in 1901, after her husband George had died in 1895. hmmm, see what I mean ? Could have happened I suppose !

Maggie

What do you think of this Mary in 1901 ??

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Mary Prior
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Southgate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Palmers green Villas

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Household Members: Name Age
Charles A Beckingham 51
Frances H Beckingham 52
Charles H Beckingham 18
Arthur Beckingham 15
Dorothy Beckingham 11
Mary Prior 19---servant

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1268; Folio: 103; Page: 28.

Hi Maggie

Yes I think Andrew was in Cheshire

and Louisa Elizabeth was the right one (I think) she was living back with her mum in 1911

Eliza with her mother in 1901 --as SG found ( although it says age 9 --and maybe should have been 10 or 11)

So still Jane and Mary Ann to find !!

Will go for another look around

Best wishes
Barbara xx

Thank you ladies for all your help :)

I am wondering about the death of George Prior in 1895 being correct as I have found census in 1901 for Andrew and Louisa (well a possible) There is a Louisa Prior (1886) in a home in Camberwell and an Andrew Prior (1889) in a home in Tattenhall in Cheshire. I wondered about it being so far from home, but it does say he came from Stepney. So if their father died, it could be why. Still can't find Jane though or twin Elizabeth (Eliza).
What do you think of the census for the homes?
I would appreciate your opinion when and if you have the time.

Thanks again

Maggie

Thanks Jax
Eliza's twin Andrew George Prior has a deffinate 30 at the side of it --Eliza's looks like 31 to me--although I agree there wouldn't have been a 31st of September lol.
Cheers
Barbara

EDIT I am looking on the right hand side of the image--the actual BIRTH DATE (not the Baptism date which is the 30th March)

Having had a lookI would say its the 30th going by the one below 'th' writing is very small though

Hi Jax
I guess not--but that is what it looks like to me for Eliza Prior baptised on 30th March 1890--if you would like to go onto Ancestry and look for the Baptism of the children on this thread --maybe you could tell us just what it does say.( I did say I couldn't be sure of dates of birth as the writting was very small)
cheers
Barbara

were there 31 days in september in the 1800s lol

is this your Mary Ann in 1911 census ??

1911 census transcription details for: 28 Dora St Limehouse E

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1556 RG78PN55 RD20 SD2 ED9 SN291


Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Limehouse
Parish: Limehouse Enum. District: 9

Address: 28 Dora St Limehouse E
County: London


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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PAUL, J H (John Henry) Head Married M 29 1882 Carman London Ratcliff East

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PAUL, Mary Ann Wife Married 8 years F 29 1882 Stepney

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PAUL, May Daughter Married F 5 1906

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PAUL, Johnnie Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911

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On the image it says 5 children born 3 had died and 2 still living in 1911

Jane in 1911 census ?? not sure as jane says married 26 years 5 children born but 2 had died by 1911 census !! what do you think ??

1911 census transcription details for: Shadwell Place

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1515 RG78PN53 RD19 SD1 ED17 SN37


Reg. District: St George in the East Sub District: St George and St John
Parish: St George in the East Enum. District: 17

Address: Shadwell Place
County: London


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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PRYOR, Jane Head Widow F 48 1863 House Cleaner St Georges E

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PRYOR, Louisa Daughter Single F 24 1887 Jam Factory Packer

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PRYOR, Anne Daughter Single F 18 1893 Jam Factory Packer

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PRYOR, John Son M 10 1901

Mary in 1901 census (mother )

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Maryann Prior
Age: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London City

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Stepney
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Perth Street
Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Maryann Prior 63


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 328; Folio: 51; Page: 12.

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and her son john also at still at 21 Perth Street

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: John Prior
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Beatrice
Gender: Male
Where born: St George in The East, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Stepney
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
John Prior 38
Beatrice Prior 35
Florence Prior 13
Beatrice Prior 12


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 328; Folio: 51; Page: 12.

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I can't find the other "Prior" family though !!! so frustrating

Best wishes
Barbara xxx

Oh good it looks as if Somerset Girl may have found Jane --good one SG xxx

I wonder ??

Death index

March 1895
George Prior
age 37
Mile End 1c 397

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Thank you too Somerset Girl :)

I am still struggling to find George and Jane Prior in 1901, and there are a few choices for Mary Ann as servant. Maybe they are mistranscribed again?

Maggie (too far for a hug Barbara..lol)

Thank you SomersetGirl, I got my "clues" from your findings--I guessed Mary was Georges Mum (It looks like Jane went to mum-in-laws to have children or at least Mary )
As I said when I found the Baptism records I then went searching for them at 49 Perth Street --nothing was coming up by name, so I took the reference for Mary in 1891 Perth Street and kept looking untill I found 49--so thank you again --without the reference you provided I don't think I would have found them.

Alll the best
Barbara xx

Hi Maggie

I found the Baptism records first and then went looking for the address on 1891 --they were shareing the house i think in 1891 --but we got there in the end. SomersetGirl is right the writting is awful so can't blame the transcriber /s for their mistakes on this --I could only just make it out, but only because I knew the name I was looking for.

All the best
Barbara xx

(in between Doncaster and Rotherham )

Yes, they are !

What an amazing find, thanks so much Barbara. How on earth did you find them in 1891?

I have spent hours on this family today, and if you don't live too far from me in Yorkshire, I'll come and give you a big hug..lol

Thanks again, I am so grateful

Maggie :))

I am guessing the 21 Perth Street Family are Georges Parents MAYBE ??

Mass Baptism for children in 1890

All living at 49 Perth Street

Father George (Labourer)
Mother Jane

Name: Andrew George Prior
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Mar 1890
Father's Name: George Prior
Mother's Name: Jane (Norwood is under Janes name and then crossed out !)
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
dateof birth looks like30th september 1889 (but not sure as is written on end and not very plain to read)
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Name: Eliza Prior
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Mar 1890
Father's Name: George Prior
Mother's Name: Jane Prior
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

again not very clear date of birth looks like September 31 1889 (wonder if above 2 were twins one born just before and one just after midnight ) As Jax has pointed out there wouldn't have been a 31 September so it must be the 30th --but still looks like 31 to me LOL

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Name: Mary Ann Prior
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Mar 1890
Father's Name: George Prior
Mother's Name: Jane Prior
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

birth date 13th January 1882
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Name: Jane Prior
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Mar 1890
Father's Name: George Prior
Mother's Name: Jane Prior
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

date of birth ?? July 18th 1883 ??
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Name: Louisa Elizabeth Prior
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Mar 1890
Father's Name: George Prior
Mother's Name: Jane Prior
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
date of birth December 26th 1886 ? ?

Sorry I can't read the dates of --so can't be certain they are correct


Best wishes
Barbara xx

This looks like the George and Jane PRIOR family in 1891(mistanscribed)


1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: George Dein
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 49, Perth street
Occupation:

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Dein 32 --gen lab---born Mile End, London
Jane Dein 28 --Shadwell, London
Maud Dein 9 -- ON THE IMAGE THIS SAYS MARY. A, born--Mile End,
Jane Dein 7 --Mile End, London
Louisa Dein 4 -St George, London
Andrew G Dein 1 --Mile End, London
Elizabeth Dein 1 --Mile End, London


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 303; Folio 40; Page 36; GSU roll: 6095413.

Thanks so much for unravelling this mystery

I am very grateful to you for your help

Will try to find Mary Ann now, she's probably a servant or something similar !

Maggie