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Thank you so much to those of you who have helped me especially SG & NL.

This relation seems to have been nailed down, I can now move on with this.

Thanks again.....Tim

This is the 1911 for the Thomas William King posted by Somerset Girl and Christina

OSBORNE, Henrietta Head Widow F 58 1853 Battersden Suffolk VIEW
OSBORNE, Flora Edith Daughter Single F 35 1876 Assisting In Housekeeping Barton Mills Suffolk VIEW
KING, Thomas William Boarder Single M 17 1894 Groom Colchester Essex VIEW
, Hetty Eileen Josselyn Boarder Single F 16 1895 School Colchester Essex VIEW
FINCH, Reginald Boarder Single M 8 1903 School Wodbridge Suffolk VIEW
HOUD, William Boarder Single M 5 1906 Ixworth Suffolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10636 Reference:
RG14PN10636 RG78PN571 RD207 SD3 ED12 SN28

Registration District:
Bury St Edmunds Sub District:
Ixworth Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Ixworth

Address:
Mainsters Yard Ixworth Suffolk County:
Suffolk

The birth certificate will confirm if this is definitely your man.


EDIT - snap Somerset Girl!!!

This looks a possibility in 1901 for the reg that Somerset Girl posted above...


1901 England Census
about William King
Name: William King
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England

Civil parish: Ixworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Ixworth
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:.....High Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Thingoe
Sub-registration district: Ixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Henrietta Osborn 49...Head Married...Nurse (Domestic)...Rattlesden
Edith Osborn 25...Daughter...Barton Mills...Suffolk
William King 7...Boarder
Eva Frost 2 ...Boarder



If the above is him, he is still with the Osbornes in 1911. I don't have a sub for the 1911 census, but these all appear to be in the same household, including a Hetty Eileen Josselyn. As Emma was living with the Josselyns in 1901 and 1911, it seems too much of a coincidence for this Thomas William King not to be her son.....


HOUSEHOLD HETTY EILEEN JOSSELYN F 1895 16 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HOUSEHOLD FINCH REGINALD M 1903 8 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HOUSEHOLD HOUD WILLIAM M 1906 5 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HOUSEHOLD KING THOMAS WILLIAM M 1894 17 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HOUSEHOLD OSBORNE FLORA EDITH F 1876 35 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
HOUSEHOLD OSBORNE HENRIETTA F 1853 58 Bury St Edmunds Suffolk

Thanks Choccy, that was my last known address for her in Colchester.

I presume that as a single mother in those days life must have been a bit rough as only one older member that is alive in the family can remember anything about Aunt Emma and it would be interesting to find out about any of her descendants.

Regards.....Tim

Thanks Madmeg,

I am assuming that the T W is for Thomas William as there are a few scattered about the family, but as Somerset Girl has just found out Emma is still with the same family in 1911 so maybe she had her son prior to 1903?

I will try and compile a list of the TW Kings from about 1881 onwards.
Strange you mcan't find her in 1881....I have completely lost her in 1891 !!

Regards....Tim

1901 England Census
Name: Emma L King
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Rattlesden, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Colchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary at the Walls
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester, First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 216
Household Members: Name Age
James A W Josselyn 37
Alice M Josselyn 32
Violet L Brittingham 13
Hetty E Josselyn 7
Charles A S Josselyn 2
Emma L King 32
Ellen J Warren 21
Ellen Partridge 22




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1707; Folio: 44; Page: 33.

Thaks SG, thats the Emma.....at least I can now tie her down to 1911, still working for the same family as in 1901 but now moved from Colchester.

If she hasn't had her son yet time is getting on as she is now 44.

I don't have the complete set of solicitors letters and there is no address for T W King and the law firm has long gone out of business.

Regards.....Tim

This could be difficult with only initials to go on. I am sort of assuming that T stands for Thomas, but it could be Timothy, but either way there are lots of them in the south of England.

I'd be tempted to find the solicitors to see who they paid the money to.

I can't see an Emma King born 1866 in Suffolk on the 1901 census.

You don't have to order from the GRO. If you can locate the register offices at which a T.W. King was registered, you can write to them and ask if the mother was Emma Lorna, unmarried, and if so to send you the certificate. If the mother doesn't fit, they won't charge you. I think the fee is now £9 plus an sae.

I suspect the dates are from 1902 to possibly 1912.
He was an illegitemate child and suspect his mother will have moved away from her last address that I have for her in 1901.

From solicitors letters I have dated 1933 when his mother died

Emma Lorna King was born 1866 in Rattlesden Suffolk and died 1933
The letters refer to Mr T W King her illigitemate son as being the sole heir of her estate as she died intestate..

I am not after certificates just dates and names to continue the tree.
Some of her familyt moved from Suffolk to London area and I am presuming perhaps incorrectly! that one of the T W Kings that are born down there may be the one I am looking for but without the mothers name I won't know!!

Regards.....Tim

Do you have a rough idea of when he was born? to see the details you will have to order the cert from general records office for £9.25, unless he was born before 1921 and was baptised in london (some areas) you can get quite a few details from that If you just tell us all you know we can look for you

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Thanks for the reply NinjaLady, I am trying to find the son of one of my ancestors, I am not sure exactly when he was born and only know his initials but know his mothers name. It is a case of working through the possible list of registration areas in the approx time scale I think he may have been born.
For example
( T W King West Ham 4a-xxx )
but I need to see the mothers name on the record to confirm the sons name, so I am presuming that this must be done at the registrations record office and cannot be done online?

Regards.....Tim

Are you wanting to purchase the certificates or look at the census records?

If you want to find them in the census post some details here and we can have a look for you.

If you want to buy certificates then you can order them online from the GRO.

Subscriptions from Ancestry or FindMyPast will give you access to census records, military records, etc and there are lots of free sites which can give access to parish records. Family Search have just added lots of new records, so no need to leave your armchair until you get to the stage where you have exhausted on-line records and need to go to the local Records Office.

I have the registration district and the entry numbers of certain relatives I wish to check on, but I presume from here I must travel to that registration area to look up the records?

Regards....Tim