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Please would someone be able to help me out? I seem to be going around in circles trying to find more info on the family of Joseph Simpson b abt 1842 in Stepney.

Joseph Simpson is one of our gggrandfathers. When I first started looking last year I hadn't realised just how common the Simpson name was, nor how many Joseph Simpsons lived in London. Optimism of a newby.

Basically what I would like to find is some info about Joseph's family i.e. parents and siblings if that is possible. I would also like to find similar info for his wife Harriet, nee Rossiter.

So far I have 3 pieces of information on them.
1) The 1881 Census.
-He was living in Islington, born Stepney 1842
- his profession was Velum Binder.
- His wife Harriet, b 1832. (1901 census gave Clerkenwell as her birthplace)
-His son's name was Edward J Simpson b Islington abt 1876. He was an only child.

2) wedding certificate dd Sept 1874
- his wife's maiden name: Harriet (spelt with two T's) Rossiter.

3) death certificate 1891. He died aged 49 yrs.

That is the sum total of what I know about his life.


Because of the age dfference between Joseph and Harriet I did wonder if perhaps there had been a bit of date fudging, making the search for them more difficult. I did try searching other dates for his birth details but wasn't successful with that. I am not very familiar with the different parts of London and so had no idea if there might be a connection elsewhere, and there were a number of Joseph Simpson's born in London at that time.

All I know about Harriet is what I have found on Census 1881-1901, where she appears with son Edward, but nothing about her roots or death. 1901 was the only census that had birth place down, Clerkenwell.

Edward m in 1901 and I found him and family on the 1911 census.

That is all the info I have. I would appreciate any help or ideas.

Thanks

PS I also want to add a little extra thanks to all the researchers out there. Your help is really appreciated. I read a lot of researcher help tips and they have been great. Thanks also to previous researchers who have been kind enough to help with my own questions, which have not only helped me move forward with my own research but have sometimes resulted in me reconnecting with long lost (and sometimes unknown) relatives.

Hi Gens

Can you give us the details from the marriage certificate - name of father, occupation if it gives one, names of witnesses.

That might help track him down.

Hi NinjaLady,
Unfortunately that certificate hasn't arrived yet nor has Edward's marriage certificate, which is also on order.

You are absolutely right, that is the way to track him down. My impatience just got the better hand today! LOL

Thanks
Gens

could this be him ?


JOSEPH SIMPSON
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
27 MAY 1842 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOSEPH SIMPSON
Family
Mother: EMMA

Hi Folks,

looks like Joseph in 1871, occupation; Velum Binder.

1871 England Census
about Joseph Simpson
Name: Joseph Simpson
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, London, England
Civil parish: Islington St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Household schedule number: 272
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Suter 32
Ellen Suter 24
Joseph Simpson 28




Ellen was a Mitchell prior to marriage so no link there.


Dee x

Thank you very much Lindsey, that looks like a very good possibility.

The name is right, the year is the same and the christening area corresponds to the birth place on the 1881 census for Joseph. I shall go and have a search now and see where your tip leads me.
Gens

The sons marriage?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Edward John Simpson
Name: Edward John Simpson
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Jessie Marian Goddard
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Jul 1901
Parish: St Matthew, Essex Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Joseph Simpson>> deceased, occupation; VELUM BINDER
Spouse Father Name: James Goddard




Dee x

Thanks Dee. I wish I was as efficient in my search. I didn't manage to find any Joseph, Velum Binder when I tried looking myself. I'm going to search for the form now.

Much appreciated,
Gens

this is interesting.
your Joseph must have served an apprenticeship

http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cats/49/5371.htm

Really exciting Lindsey. I got so excited I lost my reply by hitting the wrong key!

Joseph's son Edward (worked for GPO) . He married Jessie Goddard the daughter of George, a book binder from Salisbury! the work apprenticeship never even crossed my mind.

I wondered if there might have been a family connection between Edwards family and the lady he married in 1901 because I couldn't see how they would have met.

Joseph Simpson died very early on, leaving his wife Harriet to bring up Edward. If he belonged to a Union she was probably on some sort of pension and possibly friends from work would have kept in contact with her.

the site looks very interesting. Would you mind explaining to me how to use it / search it? or would I have to write and ask for info?

You have made my day. Thanks.
Gens

Gens

The site Lindsey gave you is not searchable. You would need to contact London Metropolitan University direct to see if, and for what cost, they would search their holdings.

However bear in mind....If a son was apprenticed to his father (so learnt at his knee!) there may be no official record.

Good luck
Chris

Thanks for the info Chris. I don't think in this case he was apprenticed to his father so I will try and contact the London Met. University - especially re cost.

Gens

Sorry Dee,
Somehow in all the excitement of seeing the 1871 census for Joseph Simpson I missed the next note you sent. Yes this is the Simpson marriage. Thanks.

Thanks to everyones help today. All the leads and suggestions were great.

Gens