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Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 14:33

hi cathy , yes , i know , there are quite a few southall families . don't think anyone has found where john went when he was " missing " from census or where he met mary ann . thanks for your interest , angela

Cathy

Cathy Report 14 May 2010 13:33

It looks like she is a child minder.....it says Charge Young Children.

It's hard to say, it doesn't look as if they are related in any way.

Do you know there are quite a few families on Ancestry with John's Birth and Death certificates in their trees Angela?

Kind regards,
Cathy

Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 13:22

cathy , what do you make of the " boarders " ? do you think they're babysitting or do these children stay with them ? angela

Cathy

Cathy Report 14 May 2010 13:20

1891 census transcription details for: 3, Wellington Road, Hammersmith, St Pauls

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 36 Folio: 124 Page: 21


Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: St Paul Hammersmith
Parish: Hammersmith Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 3, Wellington Road, Hammersmith, St Pauls
County: London


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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SOUTHALL, John Head Married M 52 1839 Carman
Barnes
Surrey

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SOUTHALL, Maria Wife Married F 52 1839 Charge Young Children
Fincham
Norfolk

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SOUTHALL, Joshua Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Hammersmith
London

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SOUTHALL, Louis Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Hammersmith
London

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SOUTHALL, Albert E Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Hammersmith
London

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POPE, Lily Boarder F 3 1888


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EDWARDS, Henrietta Boarder F 1 1890


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KENDWOOD, George Boarder M 0 (1M) 1891
Hammersmith
London

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Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 13:20

thanks , cathy . angela

Cathy

Cathy Report 14 May 2010 13:17

1901 census transcription details for: 3, Wellington Road, Hammersmith

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 45 Folio: 108 Page: 33


Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: South Hammersmith
Parish: Hammersmith Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 3, Wellington Road, Hammersmith
County: London


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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SOUTHALL, John Head Married M 61 1840 Fitters Labourer
Barnes
Surrey

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SOUTHALL, Maria Wife Married F 61 1840
Fincham
Norfolk

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SOUTHALL, Emma Daughter Single F 35 1866 Housemaid (Domestic)
Hammersmith
London

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SOUTHALL, Alfred Son Single M 21 1880 House Decorator
Hammersmith
London

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SOUTHALL, Louis Son Single M 19 1882 Pianoforte Makers Assistt
Hammersmith
London

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SOUTHALL, Albert Son Single M 17 1884 Iron Moulder
Hammersmith
London

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MACKNESS, Robert Boarder Single M 10 1891
Hammersmith
London

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CRAMER, Fred Boarder M 8 1893
Paddington
London

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JACKSON, Edith Boarder F 5 1896
Paddington
London

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WATSON, Henry Boarder M 2 1899
Brentford
Middlesex

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Cathy

Cathy Report 14 May 2010 13:10

Angela, do I take you have these?

1911 census transcription details for: 3 Wellington Road Hammersmith W

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN231 RG78PN8 RD3 SD2 ED5 SN328


Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: South Hammersmith
Parish: Hammersmith Enum. District: 5

Address: 3 Wellington Road Hammersmith W
County: London


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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SOUTHALL, John Head Married
32 years M 71 1840 None Barnes Surrey

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SOUTHALL, Maria Wife Married
32 years F 72 1839 None Fincham Norfolk

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SOUTHALL, Sarah Daughter Single F 45 1866 Dressmaker London Hammersmith

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MACKNESS, Robert Boarder Single M 20 1891 Milkman London Hammersmith

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CRAMER, Frederick Boarder Single M 17 1894 Carman London Walham Green

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JACKSON, Edith F 14 1897 London Marylebone

Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 12:40

thanks , somersetgirl

Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 12:20

hello , yes , that's john in 1851 . john was born illegitemately to sarah . she then married william 2/.2/1845 .

Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 12:00

yes emma and georgina in 1881. regards , angela

Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 11:51

hi , same john , second marr to maria warren 1878. they had three sons .thanks for replies . angela

Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 11:40

hi , yes that is them , espinosa comes from the birth certs of emma and georgina . on the census mary ann gives her place of birth as spain . thanks , angela

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 14 May 2010 11:32

This is them? Where does the Espinosa name come from?

1871 England Census

Name: John Southall
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnes, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith

John Southall 31
Mary Ann Southall 33
Emma Southall 5
Georgeana Southall 3


Angela

Angela Report 14 May 2010 11:22

morning, i wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction please - my ancestor , john southall born 14/2/1840 barnes surrey is missing from the 1861 census . he reappears on the 1871 census with a wife mary ann espinosa app born spain c 1837 , and two daughters born 1865 & 1868 both hammersmith .i can't find any record of a marriage . are there any army/navy records from that time i could look for or anywhere else that might give me a clue ? regards , angela