Genealogy Chat

Thanks Ladies

Can't half tell I've not had any kids can you.

Excellent job, snaps for everyone.

Gypsyjoe

PS the puerperium is the period following childbirth.

Sometimes you may see this referred to as 'childbed fever' and women knew if they had it they were more than likely to die and it wouldn't have been very pretty.

Jennifer

Gypsy Joe, I used to be a midwife so that was why I suspected what the cause of death might have been.
My own gt grandmother died of Puerperal Septicaemia which I found sad as I spent my whole career caring for mothers and babes but as Rosie said before antibiotics and also an understanding of infection control childbirth deaths were not uncommon.

Jennifer

Puerperal peritonitis is an infection following childbirth,often fatal before the advent of antibiotics.
Try the link below-lots of childbirth related illnesses & descriptions which might help.

www.antiquusmorbus.com/English/Puerperal.htm - 64k

An the winner is RutlandBelle

Thankyou - the person was female and since there I know nothing of a child I presume the child died too. Since it was scotland searching for a birth will be a little difficult but then agian I guess not since I know rougly when they were born since the mother had been suffering for four days when she died.

You're a legend Thanks
Gypsyjoe

PS I just googled this but it came up with what I had before but find no reference to child birth, is it the same thing?

RutlandBelle - I now can't remember so I'll have to go back to my docs when I get home, I'm on a public computer at the moment. If it is a female then actually I'll keep you all posted.

Wendy - I too had done the same as you I guess that is one reason why I really hate these search engines I came up with the same result.

Thanks all for trying and I'll get back to you on the sex of that person.

Gypsyjoe

I put your spelling of course for death into Google and it said
'Do you mean Pectoral Peritonitis' so I guess this is the nearest thing to your spelling

Wendy x

was the death male or female?

if female could be : puerperal peritonitis

i.e associated with childbirth

Hey Lindsey

I'm looking at the original image so I'm guessing the transcription is wrong. The other details are correct though.

I wonder if anyone else can see the original.

Gypsyjoe

this is the ancestry version


1861 Scotland Census about Samuel Hay
Name: Samuel Hay
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Portobello, Edinrs
Registration Number: 684/1
Registration district: Portobello
Civil parish: Duddingston
County: Midlothian
Address: 5 Bridge Street
Occupation: Potter Jour
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_123
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Hay 29
Ann Hay 27
Robert Hay 4

Thanks Kay that makes sense if that is what it says.

Lindsey are we looking at the same census because the one I'm looking at defiately has the second word starting with a T not a J. There is a John further up the page and there is a destinct difference in the writing of the letter.

Gypsyjoe

transcription for the 61 says Potter Jour [journeyman?]

Potter Thrower worked as just that,they worked at potters wheel and hand worked a piece of clay into what ever.bowl/jug/ewer/plate.in the pottery buisness maybe at that time it was into pouring into mould.?.
perhaps the other could have been someting to do with the kiln work?or perhaps a finisher/glazer/

Hi Jan

I too did that google for the death and came up with the same but that doesn't sound right as a cause of death especially since I could find no reference of those two things being together.

As for the census's I don't believe we can cut and paste to the board

So here goes

1901 John Hay Widower was living at 107 High st Leith, Duddington, Portobello in Edinburgh with his children and his job appears to be potter shower. I just had a thought could it be thower and if so what was that?

1861 Samual Hay was married to his wife ann and living with his son Robert in what appears to be 5 Bridge Street Duddingston Portobello and his job looks like it says Potter team.

I found both of these of the scotspeople website.

Thanks again
Gypsyjoe

Re. death - could the 2nd word be peritonitis? On a quick google search there seems to be a vague link between pectoral muscle abscess and peritonitis, so maybe 1st word pectoral??

Are you able to paste the census details onto here so we can have a look? Or failing that give some exact detail so we can locate them.

Jan

I have a couple of things I'm trying to decipher from certificates and the like.

The first is a death it looks like it reads Pucoporal Paitonitis - this person was in Scotland if that makes any difference and of of many in my tree who was a potter, which then leads to my second query...

I have found on a couple of census beside my potters instead of journeyman which was the usual case different words that I'm not sure either make sense or to what that means the person was doing or where they were working,

the first in 1861 looks to be potter team does this mean that the individual was working in a factory for a time? This family migrated a lot between Glasgow and Edinburgh a lot.

In 1901 one of my journeyman potter's looks like the census says Potter shower (it definately says ower at the end of the word or I'm sure that's what it says) if this is right what is it? The person was living in Leith at the time.

Any help much appreciated or if someone can point me in a dirrection. I have tried googling but haven't fount it much help.

Thanks
Gypsyjoe