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Does anyone know anything of Joseph who was a horse dealer in 1895 and in 1901 was a coach driver. He married Annie Irene Barrow 1859-1911 - we have stories in family of his piracy in coach world can't validate though- any info at all
Pauline (Turner)

Have you looked to see if anyone has those names in their tree

well, Pauline


you're not likely to have any one who does know anything just passing by on these boards ... it doesn't work that way


What you have on here are a number of members of GR, just like yoruself, but perhaps wth a bit more expertise and memberships in other sites, who will attempt to find documentary evidence for you.


Julie's suggestion is the best one .... click on Search Trees in the dark green band above, enter Joseph's name and see what happens. Send a pm (private message) to a tree owner if you do find his name.


Have you tried googling his name?




sylvia

Have you got the details of when and where the "marriage" took place?

There is no record anywhere of the name Annie Irene Burrows - other than a death in 1976

????/1861

Name: Joseph Turner
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England


Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 194
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Turner 48
Elizabeth Turner 48
Avis Turner 26
Isherwood Turner 18
Ann Turner 16
Sarah Turner 11
Joseph Turner 6


His father's details can be cross-checked with the marriage cert.............

yes it is a very common name and there is more than one possibility -I now have 2 to follow up thanks, I have googled and looked at archives this is a last resort I will go deeply into my 2 possibilities
Thanks

Thanks I found another one today too at the National archives and will try yours too - thanks for your help
I am advised by the archives to try the London Metropolitan archives as well as Middlesex offices so will carry on that way too
Pauline

You didn't answer the question about his marriage - where did you get the name of his 'wife'?

Or do you not wish us to try to find info for you?

I couldn't find a record of marriage - first child, Marjorie born 1895 so I think marriage a bit before then. Annie Irene is confirmed by 1911 census that she filled in and Burrows as maiden name comes from family info
Thanks for advice
Pauline

The mother's name will be on Marjorie's birth cert

Births Jun 1895 (>99%)

Turner Marjorie Ivy Fulham 1a 274
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1901 census..........

Name: Marjorie I Turner
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Annie I
Gender: Female
Where born: Fulham, London, England

Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 334
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Turner 42 born Aston
Annie I Turner 42 born Southwark
Marjorie I Turner 6
George R Turner 4
Doris B Turner 3
Audrey I Turner 1
Kathleen P A Turner 3/12

Speculation.......1861

Name: Annie Burrows
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Matilda
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Southwark St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members: Name Age
George Burrows 49 born St George Hanover Sq
Matilda Burrows 50 ------32 on image - born St Geo, as above
Annie Burrows 3
Jessie Burrows 23 ---------2 and a fraction on image

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1871 for same family

Name: Annie Burrows
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Matilda
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, St George
Civil parish: St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
George Burrows 53 Occ: Hair Cutter
Matilda Burrows 39
Annie Burrows 15 Occ: Pupil Teacher.
Jessie Burrows 12
Emma Burrows 8
Harry Pfost 7 Nephew

Interesting.....................1911

Person: TURNER, Kathleen Patricia
Address: 1 Park Road Mews N W

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TURNER, Joseph Head Married M 53 1858 Carman For Railway Co Aston Birmingham VIEW
TURNER, George Norman Son M 14 1897 Bakers Boy Makers Bread Fulham VIEW
TURNER, Doris Bessie Daughter F 13 1898 School Fulham VIEW
TURNER, Kathleen Patricia Daughter F 10 1901 School Willesden VIEW

So where's Annie? She apparently signed the form, but her details are crossed out on the image
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This explains Audrey's absence

Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Turner Audrey Irene Hampstead 1a 655

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Deaths Sep 1906 (>99%)
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Turner Audrey Irene _ Hendon 3a 186

I wonder.........did Annie fill in the form, but die before it was handed in?

Deaths Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Turner Annie I 52 Willesden 3a 137

Yes I followeed this through excitedly and then found that this teacher , child of George & Matilda never married in 1901 and 1911 she is unmarried so is a different Annie Burrows -
Pauline

You won't resolve this until you get a child's birth cert..................even then, it will depend on the accuracy of the info provided.

Flick I have now great Aunt Marjories birth cert. and you were quite correct - we had the wrong surname - now that I have that (thanks to your advice) I will search myself - it is not Burrows it is Annie Irene Barrow and in 1895 Joseph Turner was a horse dealer so very interesting addition to my knowledge
Thanks
Pauline