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Hello
Can anyone help me find Elizabeth Turley on the 1901 census? Got sqaure eyes :)
Born 1878-1881 in Liverpool to Arthur and Ann Duffy (both Irish).

In 1891 Eliz is in 29 Aspinall St Kirkdale Liverpool with her parents, I have her parents in 1901 in Kirkdale but Elizabeth isnt there, We were always told she was a cook so may have been in service somewhere.

Any help very much appreciated :)

She also might have married....have you look to see

Sorry should have said she wed in 1911

I can't see her & looking using just Elizabeth, 1880, Liverpool is throwing up too many to look through

Who did she marry in 1911

Its just that i found this marriage & this couple on the 1901

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
>>>>>Dowling James Francis Liverpool 8b 270
Quinn Owen Liverpool 8b 270
Ryan Maggie Liverpool 8b 270
>>>>>Turley Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 270

Elizabeth Dowling
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members:
Name Age
James Dowling 24
Elizabeth Dowling 23
Denis Dowling 3
Margaret Dowling 6 months
John Savage 36
Thomas Savage 5
James Savage 12 days

very well spotted!
however, been caught out by this eliz before, not been able to connect up all the dots so to speak!

What I would probably need to do to see if they are one in the same is get the marriage cert, or find a death for james dowling, before 1911. The Turleys were all over Liverpool but does seem to be a big coincidence that they are also in Kirkdale!

The other thing would be the children from the Dowling marriage, as they do not appear later as far as I am aware, my nan and great aunts do not believe she was married before their father, but stranger things have come out!

This is them in 1911, but the mother in law is Margaret, not Ann:

DOWLING, James Head M 34 1877 Carpenter Planner Bootle Lancs VIEW
DOWLING, Elizabeth Wife F 33 1878 Cheshire Crewe VIEW
DOWLING, Denis Son M 14 1897 Liverpool Lans VIEW
DOWLING, Margaret Daughter F 10 1901 Liverpool Lans VIEW
DOWLING, Kathleen Daughter F 6 1905 Liverpool Lans VIEW
DOWLING, Teresa Daughter F 2 1909 Liverpool Lans VIEW
TURLEY, Margaret Mother In Law Married F 59 1852 Private Means Belfast Resident VIEW
TURLEY, Janet Sister In Law Single F 24 1887 Upholerstresss Liverpool Lancs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22575 Reference:
RG14PN22575 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED23 SN245

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Western Enumeration District:
23 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
6 Plan St Liverpool County:
Lancashire

This looks like that Turley family, with Elizabeth:

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Turley
Name: Elizabeth Turley
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Bernard
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 5 Court 1 House Pall Mall
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Turley 31
Margaret Turley 29
Hugh Turley 11
Annie Turley 10
Thomas Turley 6
Elizabeth Turley 3
Catherine Turley 1

This is Sarah's Turley family:

1891 England Census
about Arthur Turley
Name: Arthur Turley
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Turley 38
Ann Turley 35
Margaret J Turley 17
Catherine Turley 15
Elizabeth Turley 10
William G Davie 34
James McLean 21

William Davie and James McLean are from Boston USA - wonder if Elizabeth ran off with one of them?

Sarah, who did Elizabeth marry?

Elizabeth is back with Arthur and Ann in 1911, still unmarried.

Just to confirm madmeg has the right turley family :)

Eliz married John Hughes (they're my great grandparents) in Dec 1911, children were Catherine, Arthur, Margaret, Elizabeth and Christy.

I'm inclined to think she did not marry James Dowling, that this is a different Elizabeth, although the coincidences are there....

The Dowling/Turley couple were still having children in 1917. So Sarah, she isn't yours at all.

She may have been in hospital in 1901, people were often only recorded with their initials, so you might look for an ET (oh, heck!) in Liverpool.

thank you meg for clearing that up, ET it is then lol!

Can't find an ET either. Tried as many combinations of Turley, wildcards etc. as I can think of. No doubt somebody is better at this than me.

I have downloaded the 1911 original census - if you'd like a copy, send me your email addy. It was completed by Elizabeth, in her own handwriting and bears her signature. She has no occupation on the census.

You might just have to accept that you can't find her in 1901, but it doesn't look at all that she was previously married.