Genealogy Chat

Thank you Nicky, I have all that information. It was actually Albert's other "sister" (Annie, possibly his birth mother) he came to join, she had been living in NZ for some time.

Thank you also Madmeg, but I have all the information re James Key , John Key and Ellen Pattinson. Please do not go into that any further. There is no point in giving you the information I have as he is not the one I am tracing now! It is really only Albert I am wanting at this stage, his birth and his trip to NZ. I really only wanted to know if it was possible at the time of his birth to not register it.

So is this the entry for "sister" Ellen Key nee Pattinson who Albert went to join in New Zealand?


Mrs Ellen KEY
Date of departure: 1 April 1910
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Wellington, New Zealand
Passenger destination: Wellington, New Zealand

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 10





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Hannah KEY Page 1 of 10 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
CORINTHIC
115296
F Hart
Shaw Savill & Albion Co Ld
New Zealand
5601
7832

I ask this because the year is 1910...and you stated that you thought Albert went out in around 1902


Nicky

Marriages Mar 1887 (>99%)
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Key James Leeds 9b 613
Mulligan Edward William Leeds 9b 613
Pattinson Ellen Leeds 9b 613
Rochford Frances Leeds 9b 613

Janet, you may well have all the information you need about John Key, but those of us trying to help you don't have.

You've obviously done a lot of searching for Albert, and haven't found him, so we could be looking for something odd that you haven't spotted.

So please do tell us what info you have on John Key.

Had you looked in this site for Albert ?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/lists.htm

His DOB was probably on his war records.

He may not have needed a passport back in 1911 ... I can't remember when they became an "official" document but that would be worth checking.

(I have exactly the same problem with my grandfather. I know his DOB, I know his life from birth, I know all about his father - but I cannot find a birth reg'n, or a baptism and I have no idea of his mother's maiden name as cannot spot a likely marriage.)

It's frustrating but keep plugging away, something will turn up.

Jill

Have you got his marriage or death cert.?

Albert Edward Pattinson married 1915 to Margaret Eva Turner. His death cert should have both his parents names if known by the informant. Also how long he lived in the country

Margaret

How do you know his exact DOB if you haven't got his birth cert? Did he marry and give a father's name on his marriage cert?

Thanks Rose, I have several census records for Hannah and also for her and young Albert for 1891. Hannah died in 1900 and Albert was with his "sister" Ellen, in 1901. I'm just wondering if I could search his baptism records? He was living in Whitehaven so was probably christened there. I also have all the information I need at present re Annie - have several census records for her. Thank you for your help. Janet

Thanks Madmeg but I have all the information I need on John Key. Janet

stretching here



is it possible that he was not registered in Carlisle??

And that he was registered with only one forename, which was not unusual. A second forename may be given at baptism, or just "added", bu tthe birth registration would not be changed



There is this Edward Pattinson


Births Mar 1888 (>99%)

PATTINSON Edward Whitehaven 10b 602





sylvia

Have not been able to find an official arrival into NZ, that's why I have wondered if he jumped ship. However, haven't checked that for some time, so should have another look. Albert's "mother" (grandmother??) had died and he would have come to join his "sister" (birth mother???) who was already living in NZ. It is a mystery all right!! (You are a late nighter!!!)

Janet

Could you please post the information you have re your John Key?

Janet,

To save us going over what you already know, it would help if you could list more details or births and marriages for these relatives. I can't see Hannah with her husband or Annie in any census.

Rose

This ones certainly a mystery......will give it more thought, but must get to bed now its nearly 1am here.....


Nicky

No, not that John Key. I have all the info re "my"John Key, but thank you anyway. I have also previously checked migration and couldn't find Albert. I wondered if he came here as a crewman and jumped ship? He was only about 15 though, not sure if that would be a possibility. I have his war service record - served with the NZ Army during WW1- still no birth certificate there!

You mention that you know Albert was already in New Zealand by 1911...have you seen his arrival documents, if so what name did he travel under, and when did he arrive? and who did he travel out there with..?



Nicky

Is this the John Key birth you mention? If so it is 2 years before Alberts..


Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Key John Whitehaven 10b 621


Nicky

Have checked the migration lists on FMP and there are no Albert Pattinsons going to New Zealand 1901-1911


Nicky

Thank you for the Carlisle Alberts! I have also looked at those possibilities, but seem to be a no go.