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Hi
I wonder if anyone could help me find a birth or any info on JOSEPH VALENTINE DIGNAM.

the only info i have is as follows

Name: Joseph Valentine Dignam
Death Date: 9 Apr 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Dundee, Scotland
Rank: Private
Regiment: King's (Liverpool Regiment)
Battalion: 18th Battalion
Number: 57528
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: Formerly 828, Highland Divisional Cyclist Company.

i kow he had a son JOHN DIGNAM who was born in dublin ireland but have no further info.

i have looked on scotlands people for him but no luck

I know it is a long shot but any snippets would be useful

thanks linda

When was he born?

This one is in Dundee:

1891 Scotland Census
about Joseph Dignam
Name: Joseph Dignam
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/1
Registration district: St Peter
Civil parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 48 Smalls Wynd
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 75
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_86
Household Members: Name Age
James Digman 42
James Digman 16
Hector Digman 14
Andrew Digman 11
Jane Digman 8
Mary Ann Ward 9
Peter Dignam 3
Joseph Dignam 2
Dora Digman 1
Margaret Digman 34

Rose

1901 Scotland Census
about Joseph Dignan
Name: Joseph Dignan
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret S W
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: St Mary
Civil parish: Liff and Benvie
County: Angus
Address: 5, Milnbank Rd
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 182
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_95
Household Members: Name Age
James Dignan 33
Margaret S W Dignan 43
Mary A W Dignan 19
Jane Dignan 18
Peter Dignan 14
Joseph Dignan 13
Dora Dignan 11
Junis Dignan 10
Jemima Dignan 8
John Dignan 6
Daniel Dignan 2

Rose

thanks rose,
i have no idea where he was born. sorry
he is the great grandfather of one of my friends.

complicated !!

mark dignam born warwickshire
father joseph valentine dignam (1937) born dublin
grandfather john dignam born dublin
great grandfather JOSEPH VALENTINE DIGNAM died 1917 france but dont know where or when born !!!

thanks linda

hi rose
thanks for your help you are a star as usual. looking at the census you have found if joseph dignam was born c 1889 he would have been 28 when he died. he must have been married to have a son john dignam born in dublin . perhaps he was in ireland with the army ??? could you look to see if there is a marriage for joseph dignam anywhere. please dont go to any expense or use your credits .
thanks once again
linda x
ps just going to peg the washing out back in a mo !!!

1881

Catherine DIGNAM Head W Female 62 Sheffield, York, England News Agent
Anne DIGNAM Daur U Female 29 Sheffield, York, England Waterproofer
Emma DIGNAM Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Waterproofer
Joseph DIGNAM Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Billiard Marker
Patrick MURPHEY Boarder U Male 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England Iron Plate Worker
Elizabeth OAKLEY Visitor U Female 11 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 1 And 2 Freeman St
Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341714
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2987 / 36
Page Number 13

1881

George DAVIES Other U Male 21 Brentwood, Essex, England Private 56th Regt
Walter DAVIES Other U Male 31 London, Middlesex, England Private 56th Regt
David DAVIS Other U Male 35 Rickmansworth, Hertford, England Private 56th Regt
Charles DEREWICH Other U Male 29 Chelmsford, Essex, England Private 56th Regt
Robert DIAMOND Other U Male 20 Ireland Private 56th Regt
Henry DIGNAM Other U Male 34 Ireland Private 56th Regt
Joseph DIGNAM Other U Male 36 Ireland Private 56th Regt
Michael DIGNAM Other U Male 31 Ireland Private 56th Regt
John DOCKRELL Other U Male 21 Epping, Essex, England Private 56th Regt
Hezekiah DOUCH Other U Male 20 Hailsham, Sussex, England Private 56th Regt
John DOUGHTY Other U Male 20 Ramsgate, Kent, England Private 56th Regt
David DOWNS Other U Male 22 Chelmsford, Essex, England Private 56th Regt


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Source Information:
Institution "Nrth Camp Aldershot A B & C Lines"
Census Place Farnborough, Hampshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341306
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1252 / 74
Page Number 17

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Joseph Dignam Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 16 MAY 1879 Legar Hill, , Armagh, Ireland
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Parents:
Father: John Dignam Family
Mother: Isabella J. Dignam McCavana

Joseph Dignam Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 07 JUL 1877 Belfast, Down, Ireland
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Parents:
Father: Patrick Dignam Family
Mother: Bridget Dignam Curran

JOSEPH DIGNAM Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 03 JUN 1866 0464, Swords, Dublin, Ireland
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Parents:
Father: JOHN DIGNAM Family
Mother: JULIA CLINTON
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Hi Linda,

I don't have a subscription to Scotlandpeople so can't help with a birth or marriage.

Rose

ann
thanks so much for so much info wow !! i will have to study it to get my head round it.
the joseph dignam on the 1881 census who was 36 years old would have to have been born c 1845 and that would have made him 72 when joseph valentine dignam died in 1917 in ww1 so not sure what connection he might be if any !! but there are 3 dignam brothers ther together thats interesting.
dignam is an irish name but can also be derived from the name dagenham in what was essex but now greater london.
i am so confused by all this. if i could have got john dignams birth or marriage records in ireland then it would have been a lot easier but no such luck.
thanks once again for all you help it is very much appreciated
linda

This is an Irish surname which derives from the ancient pre 9th century Gaelic O'Duibhgeannain. The translation is 'the descendant of the sons of the black haired chief' (or similar), and it is claimed that the clan were the poets and bards to the leading clans of the counties Leitrim, Roscommon, and Longford. Their principle place of residence was the village of Kilronan, County Roscommon, where they were the 'erenaghs'. This was a hereditary position and can be described as the keepers of the church lands, and collectors of tithes. It is also claimed that the clan maintained a school of bards at Castle Fore, Leitrim, where they were resident in 1636, Peregrine O'Duigenan who died in 1664 being one of the Four Masters. Many of the clan served in King James 11's Catholic Army of 1690 which failed to defeat William 111 of Orange and England at the battle of the Boyne. In consequence the clan was dispossessed of its lands, the prefix O' was also dropped after the defeat, and in this case it has never been replaced. The spelling is now usually Duigenan, with the variants Deignan and Dignan or Dignam. Although the clan has produced many members of the Catholic clergy, it also suffered widely during the Irish Famine of 1846 - 1848. Amongst the name holders that emigrated were Catholine Dignan, who is recorded in the shipping registers as 'nought years old' and who left Ireland on July 13th 1846, on the ship 'Charles Humberton of Liverpool', bound for New York. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Magnus O'Duigenan, which was dated Circa 1415, compiler of 'The book of Ballymote', during the reign of King Henry V of England, 'The victor of Agincourt', 1413 - 1422. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Dignam#ixzz0sthKeM3D

MICHAEL DIGNAM Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 02 JAN 1868 , Dublin, Ireland
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Parents:
Father: JOHN DIGNAM Family
Mother: JULIA CLINTON
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

so Joseph and Michael are brothers

thanks everyone for all contriburions i am just going to digest all this and see what i can up with and which way to follow
cheers linda