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Thanks Brummiejan,I would say it definitely them!There is longevity in this Gabriel family,her Great-Grandmother lived till she was 100!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

1901 England Census

Name: Annie Gabriel
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Rhos-Y-Medne, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:


Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton

James Smithies 24
Leah Smithies 30
Mary H Smithies 27
Annie Gabriel 22

Pretty sure it's them looking at her birthplace:

1881 Wales Census

Name: Elizabeth A. Gabriel
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Lewis
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Rhosymedre, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ruabon
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 54 Chapel St.
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Ruabon

Robert Lewis Gabriel 24
Elizabeth A. Gabriel 25
Elizabeth A. Gabriel 3
Thomas Lewis Gabriel

Maybe??

SMITHIES, James Head Married M 34 1877 Clerk To Art Metal Worker Lancs Middleton VIEW
SMITHIES, Annie Wife Married 5 years F 32 1879 Denbigh Rhos Y Medre VIEW
SMITHIES, Leah Daughter F 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Cheshire Wilmslow VIEW
SMITHIES, Fred Son M 4 1907 Cheshire Wilmslow VIEW
SMITHIES, Mary Hannah Sister Single F 37 1874 Lancs Middleton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21516 Reference:
RG14PN21516 RG78PN1282 RD445 SD1 ED7 SN50

Registration District:
Bucklow Sub District:
Wilmslow Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Wilmslow

Address:
Wycliffe Avenue Wilmslow County:
Cheshire

Thanks Glitter Baby,this is a diferent Gabriel family to mine,you will find mine as the daughter of a Robert L and Elizabeth A Gabriel in Lancashire in 1891,I can't seem to find her in 1901.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

So, you've based it all on the death of Elizabeth Ann Smithies? I can see what you have done, very clever! Makes perfect sense but still can't find them 1911!!
Jan

1901 is this her?

Name: Elizth Gabriel
[Elizth Garbriel]
Age in 1901: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Stansty, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Stansty
Ecclesiastical parish: Rhosddu St James
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 180
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Garbriel 63
Isaac Gabriel 30
Robert Gabriel 26
Elizth Gabriel 23



Possible for her father is on 1911 census in Lancashire

JONES, Robert Head Married M 69 1842 Coal Miner Hewer Wales Mold VIEW
JONES, Catherine Wife Married
38 years F 62 1849 Lancashire St Helens VIEW
GABRIEL, Robert Boarder Widower M 75 1836 Coal Miner Hewer Retired Wales Tryddyn VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23222 Reference:
RG14PN23222 RG78PN1357 RD460 SD3 ED14 SN26

Registration District:
Leigh Sub District:
Leigh Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Leigh

Address:
20 Hampsons Houses Leigh

Thanks Brummiejan,all this is arising oout of the marriage as I stated that of James Smithies and Elizabeth Ann Gabriel which took place in the Prestwich District of Lancashire in 1905.The Elizabeth Ann being my probable relative.There is much later on a death would you believe it in 1984! of an Elizabeth Ann Smithies in Launceston Cornwall? whose given birthdate corresponds with the birth of my Elizabeth Ann Gabriel in 1878 in the Wrexham District of Denbighshire.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Not quite able to pin them down - unless someone else has more luck you could really do with the marriage cert for a bit more info.
Jan

Might be irrelevant but just in case:

EDMONDSON, Robert Head Married M 29 1882 General Labourer Rishton Lancashire VIEW
EDMONDSON, Jane Wife Married
4 years F 25 1886 Winder Blackburn Lancashire VIEW
EDMONDSON, John Robert Son M 3 1908 Blackburn Lancashire VIEW
EDMONDSON, Bertha Daughter F 1 1910 Blackburn Lancashire VIEW
FINIGAN, Richard Brother In Law Married M 35 1876 General Labourer Blackburn Lancashire VIEW
FINIGAN, Esther Ellen Wife Married
4 years F 33 1878 Winder Rishton Lancashire VIEW
SMITHIES, Elizabeth Ann Sister Living Apart Married F 31 1880 Winder Rishton Lancashire VIEW
SMITHIES, Elizabeth Ann Niece M 9 1902 Rishton Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25056 Reference:
RG14PN25056 RG78PN1435 RD474 SD4 ED30 SN77

Registration District:
Blackburn Sub District:
Blackburn Northern Enumeration District:
30 Parish:
Blackburn

Address:
64 Ordnance St Blackburn County:
Lancashire

Thanks Brummiejan,whilst I don't know James's YOB Elizabeth was born in 1878.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

We need to find them then. Have you asked on another thread? If not give us some details - place and YOB, and James' occupation.
Jan

Thanks Brummiejan,not interesting enough perhaps!I was hoping he may have been the son of a James and Elizabeth (Gabriel) Smithies who married in Lancashire in 1905.They may be living in the Chorley District of Lancashire

Regards
William Russell Jones.

I'm suspecting they might have married abroad.
Jan

Possible medal card on Ancestry

Name: John R Smithies
Regiment or Corps: Yorkshire Regiment
Regimental Number: 6779


Looks like he survived the War as entry dated 1920 on card

An interesting family for you!

SMITHIES, John Robert Boarder Married M 27 1884 Soldier Sergt Yorkshire Leeds VIEW
SMITHIES, Dorothy Maria Wife Married 2 years F 29 1882 S Africa Cape Colony Resident VIEW
SMITHIES, Norman Edward Son M 1 1910 Yorkshire York VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28381 Reference:
RG14PN28381 RD517 SD1 ED3 SN167

Registration District:
York Sub District:
Skelton Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Towthorpe Huntington Earswick

Address:
Towthorpe York County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

Norman Edward Smithies is showing as born in the York district in 1909.Can anyone find him in the 1911 Census please and show his Parents?

Regards
William Russell Jones.