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ty all information was very helpful .x
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I don't actually know. Thru 1983, there was an actual paper index, and you can look and see what the changes were.
So there'ld be a 1983q1 entry for, say, Elvira Jax, with mum's MS=Jax, and the GRO ref district=Hendon vol=13 p=0123. Then in quarter 4, john Smith comes in & they do a re-rego, so in 1983q4 there's 2 index entries, one for Elvira Jax, and one for Elvira Smith, both with mum's MS=Jax, and with the ref v=13 p=0321. They'ld also go back to the 1983q1 index, cross out the old ref, and write "see D83" in the margin, then add a footnote for Elvira Smith, mum's MS=Jax and again the "see D83" in place of real ref.
After 1983, they went computerized, and you can't actually see the changes. I imagine you're right - you might try searching for Elvira with no surname in Hendon with mum's MS=Jax, and see if you get a couple of Elvira Smith hits as well as your 2 Elvira Jax hits.
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About 14 years ago I went with my niece to register her baby, she had fallen out with the boyfriend just before the baby was born.
Some months later they got back together but never married, but I have noticed there are two identical registrations for this child on ancestry, so I assume its when fathers name was added?
jax
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The informant on a b.rego can now be:
(1) Mother - mother was usually not in doubt although it was not unknown in the past for grandmother to go the register office and register her daughter's illegitimate daughter as her own.
(2) Father - he is the second choice by preference because - by biology alone - mother knows she is the mother and only she really knows (or might do!) who the father is. There is an assumption in law, however, that unless told otherwise, the husband is the father of the baby.
(3) Father/Mother jointly. From 1875 only for couples who were not married. Both were present at the registration and both signed.
(4) Person present at the birth. This covers a wide range of people - could be grandmother, aunt, sister, midwife, neighbour. The more remote they are in kinship from the parents of the baby, the less likely they are to give accurate information.
(5) The owner or occupier of the house or institution. This includes the master of the workhouse, matron of a hospital, a relative or friend if the mother had gone to have the baby there.
(6) The person in charge of the child. This could be the father of an illegitimate child - he could not register as father and have his details as father included but he could do the registration. It could be the master of the workhouse if an unmarried mother died in childbirth - or equally any vague relative or kind neighbour who took the baby in.
http://www.thosedixons.net/certificates/births.html#COL7
Starting with my mum, I have 4 generations where an ancestor or their sibling was rego'ed by a grandparent.
If the baby were illegitimate, normally both parents would need to attend the rego, then both would be named as parents. So what about the abnormal cases - I've not come across a case where the father wasn't there for the initial rego where his name was on the initial rego. (My limited experience, probably.) Both parents would need to approve a re-rego that added the father, but there are plenty of cases where the dad wasn't around, and his bit of the re-rego was done at another rego office, and the details forwarded to the original local office. Even this much presence isn't necessary - there was a post on these boards some years back of a woman who wanted to add her dad to her b.rego so, with the local registrar's help, she filled out the forms and mailed them to her dad in Canada. He signed them, had them notarized, and mailed them back and her birth was re-rego'ed some 30 years after the fact.
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if the parents are married, only one parent need be there to register the baby
and it could be either the mother OR the father
so the absence from the home would not affect naming the father
PLUS if a couple is married, any baby born to the mother is assumed to be the child of the husband ...... even if he has been dead for 10 years or more!
absence of father's name on the bc is more likely to be because the child is illegitimate ............. even if the mother was married and father was away.
In point of fact ................... no proof has to be presented at registration of a child that a couple is married, or that there is a husband
I'm not sure how common it would be to find the addition of the father to a birth certificate
The ONLY thing you can be sure of, is that a woman gave birth to the child, and that that woman's name is probably the one on the bc
whether it's correct, is another matter
sylvia
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do both parents have to be present to recorded on birth certificate?
if father away in forces on duty can the mother give details of father?
if father was added at a later date would a cross reference have to added on original?
are there records to view or how to find out about names changed by deed poll?
any advice on these would be appreciated.
yours faithfully derek corkindale
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