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Hi Whitenancy, I can email you the actual census if you like. Please PM me with your personal email address.

You will need to squint at his handwriting, but the "3" in his "38" is the same as the "3" in his wife's age.

I can see how you were misled.

Best wishes

Madmeg.

mad meg it was because the was the cloest match for the thomas rainford given to me on the 1911 census who was puported to be 58 so taking a logical step of an aprox dob of 1853 he seemed like the most likely candidate

I tend not to dwell on finding a person on every census. Yes, it is annoying not to find them. But if I've got the right person I don't worry too much.

So, Whitenancy, are you saying that the Thomas who deserts his wife is irrelevant now? I wonder why you latched onto him.

ok the 1881 census is the right family but cant seem to find thomas after that till he pops up for his marriage in 1902

the 1873 on the 1911 census is defo the right one

sorry for not replying i had been out n busy longer than i thought.. not actually my ancestor doing research on behalf of my boss.she is getting the marriage cert but i thought i would just do a bit of digging and see what i could turn up.
Haliwell comes under Bolton

Are you still wanting to find the Thomas who appears to desert his wife?

Which person is your ancestor?

Thomas has left home:

1891 England Census
about Ernest Rainford Name: Ernest Rainford
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Rainford
Mother's name: Grace Rainford
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Rainford 46
Grace Rainford 45
Edwin Rainford 23
James Rainford 21
William Rainford 18
Frank Rainford 13
Ernest Rainford 11
Fred Rainford 9
Albert Rainford 8

Defo this boy - his own kids inc Grace, Frank and Ernest:

1881 England Census
about Thomas Rainford Name: Thomas Rainford
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Rainford
Mother's name: Grace Rainford
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Great Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 264 Derby St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Rainford 36
Grace Rainford 35
Edward Rainford 13
James Rainford 11
Thomas Rainford 9
William Rainford 8
Frank Rainford 4
Earnest Rainford 1

The 1911 actual image shows that Thomas is 38 (not 58), thus born 1873 - not the same man as the 1881 Thomas.

This could be his death:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Thomas Rainford Name: Thomas Rainford
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 69
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 599

Thomas married Mary Louisa LONGLEY born 1875 Manchester 1902.
Is this deffinately same thomas who married mary Pendlebry,can you say what proof you have please.

Was John L Rainford really John Thomas born O/N/D 1877 Bolton 8c 395.
No sign of a John L !!

1911 8,Kenyon Street BoltonJohn T Rainford born @ 1878 in Bolton
Ada married 10years born 1879
Esther 1904 name of Mary Pendleburys mum.
Harry 1909

Mary Pendlebury married thomas rainford O/N/D 1876 Bolton 8c 528

Maryb

This is the other thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1247658

What makes you think the 1911 Thomas (b Bolton) is the same as the 1881 one (b Halliwell, west of Wigan)?

maybe not as he has married by 1901
posting just for info !
Name: Thomas Rainford
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie Rainford
Gender: Male
Where born: Altcar, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Downholland
Ecclesiastical parish: Halsall St Cuthbert
Town: Barton and Haskayne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:Barton Lane

Occupation:Farmer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Halsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Rainford 48
Annie Rainford 30
James Joseph Rainford 7
Thomas Rainford 4
John Rainford 2
Mary Ellen Rainford 1 Month
John Dickenson 30
William Dickenson 28
Thomas Jump 15
Susanah Alice Gaskell 23
Elizabeth Harrison 18
Dominick Mc Carty 20
Michael Carrigan 18


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3531; Folio: 38; Page: 6.

wonder if they separated and he changed jobs
1891 census
Name: Thomas Rainford
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Brother-in-Law
Where born: Altcar, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Downholland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
Town: Barton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:Barton House .Barton

Occupation:Farm bailiff

Condition as to marriage:Single !!!

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Halsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Culshaw 42
Mary Culshaw 37
Catherine J Culshaw 8/12
Catherine Carney 15
Margaret Culshaw 17
Joh Riley 37
Joh Dickinson 19
William Dickinson 17
Austin McGing 20
John Henaghen 20
Thomas Rainford 39
Thomas Fairclough 14


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3030; Folio 39; Page 7; GSU roll: 6098140

Have you tried putting his initials only plus age,place of birth. He might be in hospital,prison

I have thomas rainford in 1881 with his wife mary but he is not with his wife in 1891 or 1901. Mary is living with her parents with her son John L rainford but no sign of Thomas.

I know thomas remarries in 1902 to mary lousia longford and goes on to have another family (see my 1911 look up thread)

Can you help me find Thomas Between 1881 aqnd 1902.

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1881 England Census
about Mary Rainford
Name: Mary Rainford
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas Rainford
Gender: Female
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Little Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 12 Durham St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 13b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Rainford 29
Mary Rainford 26
Alice A. Rainford 20