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Hi Everyone I thought I would post my enquiry to see if someone can advise me as I'm stuck. I've been searching for the death (and birth) of John Briercliffe and because I don't know exactly when he was born I'm stuck. Is there anyway to find out how old he would have been when he married his wife Hannah BELFIELD who was born in 1806 Smallbridge Rochdale. I found one John who looked promising who was christened in 1802 in Manchester to James and Hannah Speakman but I will have to collate all the Johns that were born from earlier on as well. John doesn't appear on the 1841 Census, his wife is on the 1841 Census living with her daughter in Manchester and again in 1851 where she states that she is a widow. Can anyone suggest how I can find out how old/or when John Briercliffe/Britcliffe was born please. Their four children were Mary, James, Betty (Elizabeth) and Charlotte. Charlotte has disappeared too. Any suggestions gratefully received Kind Regards Dianna

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Marriage: 6 Oct 1825 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
John Briercliffe - Bachelor of Cheetham Street
Hannah Belfield - (X), Spinster of Smallbridge
Witness: D. Nield, Junr.; Thos. Fletcher
Married by Banns by: Wm. Hodgson Officiating Minister
Register: Marriages 1825 from the Bishops Transcripts, Page 127, Entry 380
Source: LDS Film 1545793

This is strange


from the beta.familysearch.org site

spouse: Hannah Belfield
marriage: 06 Oct 1825 — St Chad'S, Rochdale, Lancashire, England

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Briercliffe
bride's name: Hannah Belfield
marriage date: 06 Oct 1825
marriage place: St Chad'S, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
indexing project (batch) number: M13580-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1484379


AND

spouse: Hannah Belfield
marriage: 06 Oct 1825 — Wardleworth, Lancashire, England

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Briercliffe
bride's name: Hannah Belfield
marriage date: 06 Oct 1825
marriage place: Wardleworth, Lancashire, England
indexing project (batch) number: I04749-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545793



same people, same date ......... but how does Wardleworth fit in with Rochdale?



sylvia

Desptite the spelling as Britcliffe, these look as though thye are yours. From the same beta.familysearch site


John Britcliffe

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Hannah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Mary Britcliffe
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 06 Aug 1826
baptism/christening place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
father's name: John Britcliffe
mother's name: Hannah
indexing project (batch) number: C01257-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1342496



John Britcliffe

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Hannah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Betty Britcliffe
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 24 Aug 1831
baptism/christening place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
father's name: John Britcliffe
mother's name: Hannah
indexing project (batch) number: C01258-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1342496



same child, but Wardlesworth again

John Britcliffe

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Hannah Britcliffe

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Betty Britcliffe
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 24 Aug 1831
baptism/christening place: Rochdale, Wardlesworth, Lancaster, England
father's name: John Britcliffe
mother's name: Hannah Britcliffe
indexing project (batch) number: I04610-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545796



Charlotte Britcliffe

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
parents: John Britcliffe, Ann

Charlotte Britcliffe

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
parents: John Britcliffe, Ann Britcliffe

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Charlotte Britcliffe
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 02 Sep 1833
baptism/christening place: St. Mary, Wardleworth, Lancashire, England
father's name: John Britcliffe
mother's name: Ann Britcliffe
indexing project (batch) number: I04749-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545797



I can't find James' baptism





and I can't get any further finding John's birth



sylvia

HI Everyone thanks for your help yes the above are all mine in Rochdale why there are two references to Wardleworth and Rochdale I'm not sure but the children were christened at St. Chad and I found James I think on the Online Parish Clerks from memory. I did find one John (spelt Briarcliff) being christened in 1802 in Manchester to James Briarcliff and Hannah Speakman. I thought this looked good as it wasn't too much older than his wife Hannah born in 1806 but because I can't find him on the 1841 Census and there is no age recorded on the marriage I'm stuck so can't move backwards or forwards. He was in Cheetham St. Rochdale when he married and there are other Britcliffes' there also one Sarah marrying Mr. Whitehead and she was living in Cheetham st. too, so I thought there maybe a connection so I started looking for Sarah's parents and siblings but could not find a John spelt either way so maybe not connection or a cousin maybe, just seems odd they were both married at St. Chad and living in the same st. I just don't know unless I can find someone that has the family bible or is related and has the whole tree there's not much more I can do but it's so nice having people trying to help me. Many thanks to all of you kind regards Dianna

I am guessing here but I have heard of it happening.

If a baptism was held at a daughter church (Wardleworth was one of the 5 daughter parishes of St Chad's) it was recorded in both the baptismal church and the mother church, in this case St Chad's.

Cheetham Street is almost next door to St Mary's Church, Wardleworth.