Genealogy Chat

trying to find my great aunts husband. he was first found age 14 on the 1881 census living in a boys home great clowes street salford. lancs. then he is getting married 1892 to ann bateson again in salford. then ann is living as a servant with her sisters brother in law george stonehill. together with her daughter age 4 mary ann moffitt. . she is shown as married. then in 1913 she marries john crier in salford.at a roman catholic church. so i must presume phillip has died. we cannot find him, if he ended up dying in a hospital or institution where would we find the records. maria

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Deaths Jun 1913 (>99%)
Moffatt Philip 47 Prestwich 8d 348

possibly


1911

MOFFATT, Philiph Lodger Married M 46 1865 Chicker Butcher Lancashire Manchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24170 Reference:
RG14PN24170 RD466 SD3 ED39 SN9999

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
39 Parish:
Manchester

Address:
Kane's Lodging House,
11 Angel Street Manchester County:
Lancashire

thank you all so much for your help with phillip moffatt, especially the death in 1913, this would explain why she remarried in 1913. i now need to find out where he died, if inhospital does anyone know how you get access to hospital records. maria

If you buy the death certificate from the GRO, it will give the place and cause of death, you won't get access to hospital records

1891. Looks like he was married before he married Ann.

WATERSON, Alice Head Widow F 54 1837
Pendleton
Lancashire VIEW
WATERSON, Clara Daughter Single F 27 1864 Yarn Sorter
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
WATERSON, John Boarder M 14 1877 Errand Boy
Salford
Lancashire VIEW
MOFFATT, Philip Boarder Widower M 26 1865 Poulterer
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3222 Folio:
21 Page:
35

Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Regent Road Enumeration District:
17 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Paul

Civil Parish:
Salford Municipal Borough:
Salford Address:
24, Owen Street, Salford County:
Lancashire

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1901 Census

Name: P M
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Lunatic (Insane)
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Whittingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Goosnargh St Mary and Whittingham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: County Lunatic Asylum Whittingham


Occupation: Fish Dealer






Get that death certificate ..... it might tell you more.




sylvia

On the 1881, Phillip Moffatt was shown as Fishmonger

Can't find a birth under Moffett but there is this:

Births Sep 1864
WALLACE Philip Manchester 8d 180

Rose

many many thanks to sylvia and rose, this is certainly the phillip moffatt who married my great great aunt ann. he must have spent his life in institutions and died in a lunatic asylum in prestwich greater manchester which is still standing. . thank you al for your help. maria

I worked in a psychiatric hospital and they had records on all staff and patients going right back to the opening - over hundred years

there are records for Whittingham Hospital in the Lancashire Records Office

there are so many suggestions, especially the hospital having records going back 100 years, i might try to follow this one up ! i also think there must have been a good reason for her to be living apart from him with a 4 year old child, he must have been very ill. many thanks for your help all of you.

sylvialncanada, i have searched the 1901 census for my phillip wallace moffatt, but cannt find him. how did you spell his name, im sure this must be him but i cannt find him in the 1901 0r 1911 census.

Hi maria

I used ancestry.co.uk


just use the initials P and M for searching, year of birth +/- 5 years, and place of birth Lancashire



Initials only were often used to help mask the identity, and thus preserve the privacy, of people in insane asylums, some prisons, and even workhouses.



sylvia

thanks sylvia i will try that, let you know how i get on.