Genealogy Chat

Oh I am learning so much about this geneology stuff. Thanks all of you for taking the time to help us new ones out it is really appreciated.

Gemma

In 1915 England, of 360,885 grooms, one was aged 14.
Of the brides, 1 was aged 14 and 19 were aged 15 (icluding 1 widow).

Source - Eighty-third annual report of the registrar-general. Including an appendix relating to marriages, Page 520 (1920)

http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Registrar%20General%20%28by%20date%29/1911-1920&active=yes&mno=546&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=632



There is also 1 report from N Ireland (1927), but it only broke down ages into full/minor.
There were 7175 marrs - 2 grooms were divorces, and 3 brides were divorcees.

All right.
Theoretically if they were born by 1911 they could still marry at 12/14 with parental consent

'Minimum age

During the 19th century the minimum age at which marriage was permitted (with parental consent) was 12 for a girl and 14 for a boy.

In 1929, in response to a campaign by the National Union of Societies for Equal Citizenship, Parliament raised the age limit to 16 for both sexes in the Ages of Marriage Act. This is still the minimum age.'

Sorry, but I have not come across anyone on here who has married at 12 in the 1920's. I appreciate that that does not mean that it cannot happen, but we are looking for likely marriages, which is why I suggested 16, not just looking at 20 years.

Possibly no sex until 16?

'Age of consent can be confusing as there are three possible terms that were contracted to age of consent.
1, Age of consent for matrimonial contracts, this was the term for consent by the parties of the marriage (the bride and groom) there was no fixed age simply the age the person could give rational consent i.e. understand what was going on.
2, Age of consent to sexual intercourse, this was set by civil law at 16
3, Parental consent required between 1753 & 1823 for marriage of an infant i.e. a person younger than 21 unless a widow or widower. Outside this period a marriage of an infant without parental consent was legal but wanting and any property of the underaged party did not pass to the elder party.'

Patchem is in error - thru the late 1920s, the minimum legal age for marriage was 12 for females and 14 for males.

thanks again

Possible children
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PreviewName: Albert E Froude
Mother's Maiden Surname: Payne
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1923
Registration district: Hastings
Registration county: Sussex, Isle of Wight
Volume Number: 2b
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Albert E Froude Oct Nov Dec 1923 Hastings Sussex, Isle of Wight
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PreviewName: Peter A Froude
Mother's Maiden Surname: Payne
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1930
Registration district: Southwark
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
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Peter A Froude Apr May Jun 1930 Southwark Greater London
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PreviewName: John T Froude
Mother's Maiden Surname: Payne
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1933
Registration district: Southwark
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
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John T Froude Apr May Jun 1933 Southwark Greater London

Jim

Here is Edith's death in Hastings area
Name: Edith Froude
Birth Date: 8 Mar 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1988
Age at death (estimated): 93
Registration district: Hastings and Rother
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 1084

Jim

that's fab thanks, thought there was a Froude in the family.

G

Have deleted the marriages for the wrong family to avoid confusion.

Kath. x

Possible marriage for Edward:-

Name: PAYNE, Edward
Registration District: Hastings
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1925
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Sawyer
Volume No: 2B
Page No: 101

Name: SAWYER, Margaret A
Registration District: Hastings
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1925
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Payne
Volume No: 2B
Page No: 101

Kath. x

Have deleted earlier post to avoid confusion.

Jim

Sorry about that.

Possible marriage for Edith:-

Name: PAYNE, Edith
Registration District: Hastings
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1922
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Froude
Volume No: 2B
Page No: 34

Name: FROUDE, Albert R
Registration District: Hastings
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1922
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Payne
Volume No: 2B
Page No: 34

Kath. x

for info

ages in 1911
George Henry Payne 44
Minnie Payne (formaly Miles) 39
Mable Payne (my great grandmother) 18
Edith Payne 17
Edward Payne 13
Arthur Payne 11

Thanks Kathleen for looking but i'm afraid the list of names in Jims first post is the wrong household. The names in my first post are the ones i'm looking at.

Thanks for looking. Think I might be dreaming about names and dates tonight.

Thanks

Yes I have got some common names (Thomas and Jones) but I have also got some interesting ones such as Tester so it's going to be fun looking.

Thanks again

Hi Jim,
thanks I think Jack is one of them. I didn't know you could search for births with Mothers names as well.

It isn't the right house but thanks anyway. I have got the 1911 for the house in hastings with the children in my first post so I am trying to work from there. Thanks for the asdvice I will start putting in the hard graft thanks alot

Gem

It can be very difficult looking for marriages, unless they have unusual names. (Think John Smith). Though Samuel Victor looks promising.
They can marry at any age from 16 to 66 and beyond, and several times.
They can also marry in a different part of the country.
This is why you are encouraged to use the search trees, because then you can find common ancestors and find descendants that way.

Hello Gemma.

It can be largely trial and error. It helps a great deal if you have the fuill date of birth.

I just went to FREEBMD and looked for births with name Payne and Mother's name Miles.

This may be another sibling.
Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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PAYNE Jack Miles Hastings 2b 26
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I would now look for weddings in the Hastings area about 20 years after birthdates.

Jim

Hi, would anyone know how to look for siblings after the 1911 census? I want to find out if some of my relatives on a few lines of my tree ever married and had children.

for example:
George Henry Payne and Minnie Payne (formaly Miles) in 1911 had four children in Hastings, East Sussex
Mable Payne (my great grandmother)
Edith Payne
Edward Payne
Arthur Payne

Did any of Mables siblings marry and have children?

Any help would be great

Thanks

Gemma