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Any advice on how to trace back from a marriage certificate.
I have all the census records after the marriage but nothing before that.
He seems not to exist before the marriage.
William Griffiths married 20 May1881 22yrs Bachelor Quarryman Tanyfron Ffestiniog Father William Griffiths (deceased) Quarryman.
The census recorda have him born at Penmorfa.
Many thanks

possibly


1881

JONES, Catherine Head Widow F 48 1833
Merioneth
Merionethshire
Wales VIEW
JONES, Robert Son Single M 18 1863 Slate Quarryman
Merioneth
Merionethshire
Wales VIEW
JONES, John H Son Single M 16 1865 Slate Quarryman
Merioneth
Merionethshire
Wales VIEW
GRIFFITHS, William Boarder Single M 22 1859 Slate Quarryman
Caernarvon
Caernarvonshire
Wales VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5550 Folio:
118 Page:
61

Registration District:
Festinog Sub District:
Festiniog Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Festiniog Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cwmbowydd Rd, Festiniog County:
Merionethshire

Looks good, his wittness at the marriage was a Morris Jones, could be a connection or maybe not, Jones and Griffiths being very common surnames in that part of the world, many thanks

Many thanks ,still do not know his mother's name to go hunting for a birth certificate or is there a way of tracing it without the mother's name?

Still searching for ggfather!!!
have contacted the registrar for Gwynedd and he could not help!!!!!
Would it be of any use to me to get the death certificate of his sisters' daughter.

Which one is his birth given as on the censuses?

Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales

or

Penmorfa, Cardiganshire, Wales

Who is his sister's daughter, and could you post the censuses you have found him in?
Thanks

WIlliam Griffith was born at Penmorfa , Caernarvonshire.
This is him, I am 100% sure of that.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records.page/image/e1911rg14/8004184?searchhistorykey=8286417&surname=griffith&forename=william
shows him on the 1911 census. Sorry it took me so long to answer. not being too computer literate had to wait for a young neighbour to show me how to do it.
His "sister's" daughter was Laura Jones,she died, according to her gravestone on November 2nd 1871 aged 10 weeks.
I am not 100% sure that his "sister" was his sister or his aunt

????

Name: Robert William Griffith
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Jul 1857
Baptism/Christening Place: PENMORFA,CAERNARVON,WALES
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Griffith
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C09925-1
System Origin: Wales-ODM
Source Film Number: 104581

Robert William Griffith is one of the many dead ends I've followed. But thanks for taking an interest

hi ,i live in north wales,pm me some details and i will try to help.x :-D

You may never find a birth cert........

Until 1875, there were no penalites for not registering births

Possible family in 1871

Name: William Griffiths
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Griffiths
Gender: Male
Where born: Penmorfa, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Civil parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
Town: Portmadoc
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 253
Piece: 5700
Folio: 149
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
William Griffiths 62
Mary Griffiths 58
Hugh Griffiths 18
Morgan Griffiths 16
Jane Griffiths 27
Morris Jones 11

EDIT

Probably not, as there is no child named William with this family in 1861.......it was Morris Jones who caught my eye!

1871?

Name: William Griffith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Penmorfa, Caernarfonshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanfihangel Y Pennant
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 65
Piece: 5700
Folio: 20
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Evans 23
Elizabeth Griffith 22
John Jones 27
Robert Jones 19
Richard Prichard 18
William Griffith 12

In the 1871 census that Flick posted was an Elizabeth Griffith a female servant age 22 also born in Penmorfa - A possible sister of William?

Am now going to follow Morris Jones to see if that leads somewhere.
Marriage certificate has William Griffith as father. Could it be that William griffiths (1809)
was his granfather. Wish me luck , Been looking for him on and off for years but at least now I have something new to follow.

It is possible that Elizabeth Griffith was a sister as his "sister"Ann named one of her daughters Elizabeth
Wish me luck
Many thanks