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Caroline
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10 Apr 2011 20:18 |
i have traced my great grandfather and grandmother to the 1901 census but then lose them completely. i can find no marriage certificate although they had 11 children and on the birth certificate of my grandad it states that agnes was formerly Thomas. I have also found a Martin Luther and Luther Martin born about the same time and wondered if in days gone by they did chop and change what they were known as? any help gratefully accepted as i am hitting a brick wall at present. thanks
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chrisa
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10 Apr 2011 20:30 |
Is this the right family?
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1901 England Census about Agnes Reece Name: Agnes Reece Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Martin Reece Gender: Female Where born: Swansea Cockett, Glamorgan, Wales Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne South Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Kennington First ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 254 Household Members: Name Age Martin Reece 39 Agnes Reece 32 Ivie M Reece 7 Arthur J Reece 6 Dorothy B Reece 4 Sidney R Reece 1
Name: Martin Reece Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Agnes Reece Gender: Male Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales
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chrisa
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10 Apr 2011 20:33 |
1891 Wales Census about Martin Luther Reece Name: Martin Luther Reece Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Reece Gender: Male Where born: Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil parish: St John Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Swansea County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Swansea Sub-registration district: Llangyfelach ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Martin Luther Reece 29 Jane Reece 33 Martin David Reece 6 Harry Reece 3 Rachel Elizth Reece 1
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chrisa
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10 Apr 2011 20:33 |
1871 England Census about Luther Martin Reece Name: Luther Martin Reece Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Rachael Reece Gender: Male Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil parish: Kington Town: Kington County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Kington Sub-registration district: Kington ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 317 Household Members: Name Age Rachael Reece 37 Rees John Reece 11 Luther Martin Reece 8 Hugh George Reece 6 William Price Reeee 4
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chrisa
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10 Apr 2011 20:35 |
I think the 1891 might explain why you cant find a marriage for Agnes & Martin.
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Penny
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10 Apr 2011 20:41 |
???? Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morton Mary Ann Edmonton 3a 320 NASH William John Edmonton 3a 320 Reece Luther Martin Edmonton 3a 320 Thomas Jane Edmonton 3a
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Netty
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10 Apr 2011 21:24 |
This would be the marriage above posted by Penny -
Name: Luther Martin Reece, Occupation - Plasterer Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Spouse Name: Jane Thomas Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 05 Jun 1882 Parish: St Andrew County: Middlesex Borough: Enfield Father Name: Price Reece, Plasterer Spouse Father Name: David Thomas. Farmer Witnesses - Charles Boswell Anne Shellshear?
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Caroline
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10 Apr 2011 21:38 |
thanks for the hard work.certainly the first entries are my family as my grandads name is there . all the martin.luther and price were all plasterers which was a family tradition but i still dont understand the Agnes and Jane bit. im assumining it is either a second marriage or a second family.
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Apr 2011 00:15 |
Possibly the latter
see if you can find Jane Reece ........ either on another census, or a death for her.
But if you can't find a marriage for Martin with Agnes then it means one of 2 thiongs
............... a) there has been a mis-transcription of the names
.............. b) Jane is still alive, and Martin and Agnes could not marry
Try looking much more recently to see if they married late in life (after Jane's death).
sylvia
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Netty
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11 Apr 2011 00:19 |
Probably confuse things further but these look like the baptisms for the children of Agnes/Martin on the 1901 census
Name: Sydney Roberts Reece Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: Jan 26 1900 Baptism Date: 5 Jun 1900 Father's Name: Martin Thomas Reece Mother's Name: Agnes Reece Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth Holy Trinity Borough: Lambeth Address - 57 Russel Gardens Fathers Occupation - Plasterer
Name: Ivor Martin Reece Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: April 17 1893 Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1898 Father's Name: Thomas Reece Mother's Name: Agnes Reece Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth Holy Trinity Borough: Lambeth Address: 73 Russell Gardens Fathers occupation: Plasterer
Name: Dorothy Blanche Reece Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895 Baptism Date: 15 Feb 1899 Father's Name: Thomas Martin Reece Mother's Name: Agnes Reece Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth Holy Trinity Borough: Lambeth Address: 73 Russell Gardens Fathers occupation: Plasterer
Name: Arthur John Reece Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: May 10 1894 Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1898 Father's Name: Agnes Reece Mother's Name: Thomas Reece Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth Holy Trinity Borough: Lambeth Address: 73 Russell Gardens Fathers occupation: Plasterer
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Apr 2011 00:23 |
from the 1891 Census
Name Age
Martin Luther Reece 29 Jane Reece 33 b.ca 1858, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire Martin David Reece 6 b.ca 1885, Lambeth, London Harry Reece 3 b.ca 1888, Swansea, St John, Glamorgan Rachel Elizth Reece 1 b.ca 1890. Swansea
NOTE:- "harry" was probably Henry, as this is the only registration I could find
Births Dec 1887 (>99%) Reece Henry Swansea 11a 698
Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
Reece Rachel Elizabeth Swansea 11a 833
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11 Apr 2011 00:46 |
I'm poking around on the 1901 trying to find the children of Martin Luther and Jane .... thinking that might help solve the problem
but could that Martin married to Agnes NOT be the same Martin who's married to Jane?
certainly those baptisms that Nettie found seem to show that!
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11 Apr 2011 03:09 |
1911 census - household transcription Person: REECE, Martin Address: 409 Wandsworth Road S W
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REECE, Martin Head Married M 48 1863 Plasterer Llanelly Cormorther VIEW REECE, Agnes Wife Married 20 years F 40 1871 Swansea Glam VIEW REECE, Ivor Martin Son Single M 17 1894 Furniture Salesman Swansea Glam VIEW REECE, Arthur John Son Single M 16 1895 Unemployed Penarth Glam VIEW REECE, Sidney Son Single M 11 1900 Lambeth London VIEW REECE, Cora Daughter F 8 1903 Clapham London VIEW REECE, Wilfred Son M 6 1905 Penarth Glam VIEW REECE, Wilfred Son M 6 1905 Clapham London VIEW REECE, Maud Daughter F 4 1907 Clapham London VIEW REECE, Gerald Son M 3 1908 Clapham London VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 children 9 living 2 died
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safc
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11 Apr 2011 11:07 |
???? dont know who married who here? but as some of the children were born in london this could be them
Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%) Chapman Annie Mary Poplar 1c 878 Eaglestone James Poplar 1c 878 Lloyd Agnes Poplar 1c 878 Reis Martin Poplar 1c 878
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jax
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11 Apr 2011 11:59 |
No does'nt look right
Name: Agnes Lloyd Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Spouse Name: Martin Reis Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1904 Parish: St Gabriel, Chrisp Street County: London Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Lloyd Spouse Father Name: George Reis
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ChristinaS
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11 Apr 2011 14:12 |
This looks like it could be Jane is living in Wales, in 1901, with her children, whilst Martin is in London with Agnus.
Swansea - St. John - Glamorgan Jane Rees - wife - 42 - Llandilo Henry Rees - son - 12 - Swansea Rachel Rees - dau - 10 - Swansea Gwendoline Reees - dau - 8 - Swansea Jessia Rees - dau - 6 - Swansea
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Jane
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9 Jan 2015 14:05 |
Hopefully I have answers to some of your questions re-Martin Reece! Would like to make contact with 'living relatives'................Jane Rees
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jax
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9 Jan 2015 16:48 |
Welcome to the boards Jane
As Caroline only posted twice almost 4 years ago and never returned, she is unlikely to see your post
Click on her name and send a private message, if her email address is still the same she will be notified
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