Genealogy Chat

Is anyone going to Preston in the next few weeks before it closes for refurb until October.

I desperately need two John Heatleys looking up.

I can't find them anywhere on the internet and my last hope there is a unsubscribed record in Preston.

probably

the latest info is that LRO will close from 4th July (not June as originally stated as they have managed for a bit longer with a slightly disrupted service) until October

Is it bmd's your looking for..

try this site...

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Click on SEARCH on the left hand side to get the search engine.

Thanks Ann

I think LRO is my only hope to find the two Johns
Let me know if you are going and if you don't already have the details I will message them to you.

Hi Sue

I and others have spent time on that site looking for John Heatley.
There appears to be no record of his or his potential fathers birth only marriage and census records.

Have you tried

https://www.familysearch.org/

Sue

I have looked at https://www.familysearch.org/

Perhaps you would like to look at my thread on the Heatleys and see why I think the only way I will find the information is to go to the LRO in Preston.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1212900

If you can think of anything else I would love to hear it.

Thanks

Simon

Hi Simon

As you know I have been following this thread from the start but it would be useful to have a summary of exactly what we are looking for and where. I tried to do a bit of a look up a couple of weeks ago but got lost working through the 7 pages!!

Hi Ann

I know the thread is now 9 pages.

Some of it will be a Red Herring
Some of it was worth knowing to discount
Much of it I am sure will be John Heatley ancestors and / or extended family.

I am still looking for John Heatley born Preston in about 1813.

Two census records and a marriage are my only real clues

Born Preston but as he was living in Manchester in 1851 Preston could cover a large area but particularly Salmsbury, Brindle and Whittle Le Woods.

Marriage: 19 May 1836 St George, Chorley, Lancashire, England
John Heatley - Chemist and Druggist of London in the county of Middlesex
Ellen Jackson - Spinster
Witness: John Roskell Arrowsmith; L Lucas; Ann Heatley; E Craven
Married by Licence by: Thos. Todhunter Minister
Register: Marriages 1836-1837, Page 5, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1526078


1841 Census

John Heatley Surgeon
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Leyland
Hundred: Leyland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street addressbr>
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Leyland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Heatley 25
Henry Heys Heatley 1
John Heatley 25
John Heys Heatley 4
Ralph Heatley 3


1851 Census
HEATLEY, John Head Married M 39 1812 Surgeon M R C S Sone In General Practioner
Preston
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, Ellen Wife Married F 36 1815
Chorley
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, John Son M 12 1839 Scholar At Home
Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
>>HEATLEY, Peter Ralph Son M 12 1839 Scholar
London
Middlesex VIEW
HEATLEY, Henry Heys Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Whittle
Lancashire VIEW
LUCAS, John Nephew Unmarried M 23 1828 Draper's Assistant
Chorley
Lancashire VIEW
Civil Parishbr>Manchester Municipal Boroughbr>Manchester Addressbr>Rochdale Road, Manchester Countybr>Lancashire

I would love to find a definite record of his birth and his parents name.

I think his parents were

Marriage: 25 May 1809 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
John Heatley - Corn Dealer Prestonn
Mary Heys -
Register: Marriages 1807 - 1809, Page 5, Entry 109
Source: LDS Film 1656765

I think this because John Heatleys 1813 had the middle name Heys.

It would be great to find their birth records with parents.

Possible parents for John Heatley

Marriage: 17 Aug 1784 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Heatley - of Salmsbury in the parish of Blackburn
Betty Makinson - of Grimsargh in this parish
Witness: James Fowler; Wm. Hodgkinson
Married by Licence by: H. Shuttleworth - Vicar
Register: Marriages 1778 - 1785, Page 136, Entry 403
Source: LDS Film 94013

If you need anything else let me know

Many thanks for offering.

Simon

This is not a duplicate thread just a request for the LRO

Simon,,

I suggest you should have another look at,,,,,

https://www.familysearch.org/

and just put Heatley in the surname box and 1700 in the first box then 1820 in the second box..

There are quite a few Heatley's in Brindle and also Manchester



Such as this one.....

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for John Heatley

Name: John Heatley
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Mar 1811
Baptism/Christening Place: Brindle, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Heatley
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Betty Heatley
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04328-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1656769
Reference Number:

You could always go to an LDS Centre for look ups...
Heres the address for one in Manchester,,,,

Manchester England
Altrincham Road
Wythenshawe
Manchester, Lancashire, England
Phone: 44 (0) 161-902 9279
Hours: M - W 9am-3pm. Also open Tu 6pm-8pm by prior appointment only.

Sue,

Thanks

Yes, there are dozens but can you see one that fits John Heatley 1813 above.

A fresh pair of eyes may see something.

That John does not stack up if his mother was Mary.

Also from Memory that record refers to a family who were weavers.

I live 10 mins from the LDS I had no idea you could visit

Hi Simon
Looking for James Heatley Salmsbury, I found this...
.
The Aberdeen Journal (Aberdeen, Scotland), Wednesday, January 14, 1852

At Sandown Terrace, Wavertree, Liverpool on 6th January, Eleanor, wife of James Fraser, Bookbinder and youngest daughter of the late Mr James Heatley of Salmsbury near Preston, aged 29.

Simon,,
Give the LDS Centre a ring and book an appointment..


You don't 100% know that a Mary was John;s mother so I would go to the LDS and you need to tell them over the phone which peope you are looking for and the years so they can make sure they have got the film you need.

That John I posted,his mother is betty which is short for Elizabeth.

JOHN HEATLEY Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s)br> Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriagesbr> Spouse: BETTY WATSON Family
Marriage:
21 FEB 1803 Brindle, Lancashire, England

Simon

Just remind me please which churches you have searched already

Are we looking mainly at the possibility of St Leonard's Walton-le-Dale CofE (where the John / Mary marriage took place) as if he was born between 1809 & 1815 those records are not on OPC. According to the catalogue they are at LRO but there is no guarantee that they are not missing there as well as the printed registers only go up to 1808. familysearch seems to have 1812 but not 1813 or 1814 up to Dec.

Salmesbury (CofE) is all on OPC so not there

Brindle (Cof E) is all on OPC so not there

Ann

St Leonards looks likely because there a key gaps for both the John Heatleys I am looking for.
John @ 1813 & John@1784

The other churches would be in Preston St John again there are gaps around the time of the two Johns birth years on Lancs OPC

So St Leonards and St Johns.

If you could check the records at LRO it would be appreciated,

Thanks

Simon

Ok - not sure whether it will be this week or in 2 weeks time when I go