Genealogy Chat

Sorry for the corny title, another conundrum here.
Yesterday my Mum called me to say her great grandmother's (Charlotte Bowcock) birth cert. had arrived (1855, Manchester) and that Charlotte's mother's maiden name was given as Ann Bird. Father was James Bowcock.

I did the logical thing and searched for a marriage between James Bowcock and Ann Bird but nothing has turned up for me so far,

Can anyone please help me find it? No sign of little Charlotte in either the 1861 or 1871 censuses. Most odd....thanks for any help..

1861?

1861 England Census
about Charlotte Bowcock Name: Charlotte Bowcock
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Bowcock
Mother's name: Ann Bowcock
Gender: Female
Where born: Manc, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 2932
Folio: 57
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
James Bowcock 50
Ann Bowcock 38
Ellen Bowcock 18
Henson Bowcock 16
Mary Done 14
Samuel Bowcock 13
James Bowcock 12
William Bowcock 10
Joseph Bowcock 8
>>>>>Charlotte Bowcock 6
Alice Bowcock 4
Fredk Bowcock 2 MO
Levina Bowcock 3 MO
Thomas Royle 14


Andy

If this is them in 1851 then there's a 14 year old which may be Ann's son In that case they would have married before registration started

Name: James Bowcock
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Bowcock
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:4 Newton Buildings

Occupation:Dyer

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1cc
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 2228
Folio: 52
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
James Bowcock 40
Ann Bowcock 28
Richard Bowcock 14
John Bowcock 12
Eleanor Bowcock 8
Hewin Bowcock 5
Samuel Bowcock 3
James Bowcock 11/12



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2228; Folio: 52; Page: 19; GSU roll

1871?

1871 England Census
about Charlotte J Bocock Name: Charlotte J Bocock
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 3978
Folio: 59
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Esther M Faulknor 21
>>>>Charlotte J Bocock 16
Thos Barrow 13


Andy

nope looks like it was a second marriage for James
1841 census
Name: James Bowcock
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:Broad Street

Occupation: Cotton Dyer

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 572
Book: 13
Folio: 35
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
James Bowcock 30
Elizabeth Bowcock 28
James Bowcock 10
Richard Bowcock 5
John Bowcock 3


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 572; Book: 13; Civil Parish: Manchester; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 29; Folio: 35; Page: 15; Line: 14; GSU roll: 438724.

Maybe (See Mary Done in 1861)

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)
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Bowcock James Manchester 20 495
Done Ann Manchester 20 495


Andy

Maybe 1st marriage for Ann??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1847 (>99%)
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BIRD Ann Manchester 20 439
Done Joseph Manchester 20 439


There are several possible deaths for Joseph 1847-1851

Andy

from lancashirebmd showing Ann was originally Bord

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOWCOCK * James BIRD Ann Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Manchester CATH/76/10
BOWCOCK * James DONE Ann Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Manchester CATH/76/10

do I remember a thread fairly recently about Ann Done??

It's all FANTASTICALLY helpful, thank you all so much!

Ann, I don't understand those last marriage refs you just gave, are those two separate marriages by James, or is it showing Ann Bird and Ann Done are one and the same?

the only deaths on lancs bmd that fit are those in 1848 - comparing freebmd and lancashire bmd. The 1849 & 1850 are children

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
DONE Joseph 23 London Road Manchester LRD/24/491
DONE Joseph 26 London Road Manchester LRD/24/185

yes it is showing that they are one and the same

they have the same reference number and lancs bmd shows both names where the certificate would have said ' Ann Done widow formerly Bird' (or similar wording). the fathers surname on the register would also be different to the brides surname

the entry on lancs bmd is marked with *