Genealogy Chat

Whilst researching my family tree I have uncovered details of a child buried in our family grave, but have no idea why.
She was born 1936 and died age 23 months in 1938.
Her name was veronica Cosgrove and the address on the obituary shows an address of 43 Highfield lane Keighley.
Her birth record shows mothers surname Gill.
The only marriage record matching these surnames was in 1926 between Frank Cosgrove and Emma Gill.
Does anyone have these people in their tree ? :-)

Have you checked for matches by using 'search trees' box above?
Jan

Also this marriage:

Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%)
COSGROVE William Gill Barnsley 9c 284
Gill Emma Cosgrove Barnsley 9c 284

Rose

When you say family grave, did the family have a exclusive rights of burial on the plot, is there a memorial and is Veronica mentioned on the memorial?

Unless exclusive rights are purchased then other people can be buried in the same grave and there is not usually a memorial

Hi, I have now established that the father was Frank Gill and the mother Lily, from Leeds, despite the fact that William and Emma Cosgrove wereliving at the address registered in the child's obituary, so i am trying to find the link between these 2 sets of people.

Also, The grave has no Headstone, but according to Utley Cemetery records, the Grave for 4 people was bought by William Priestley in 1892 when his son died, their son was the first to be buried, then William in 19198 and than his wife in 1920. I presume that because he bought a grave for 4 people that would give him exclusive rights I do not know for sure.

Thankyou for your advice all

regards
Joan :-)

Joan,

Just want to get things straight:

You said: "The only marriage record matching these surnames was in 1926 between Frank Cosgrove and Emma Gill."

I think you mean Frank Cosgrove and Lily Gill.


Then you said: "I have now established that the father was Frank Gill and the mother Lily"

Do you mean the parents were Frank Cogrove and Lily Gill?

I'm guessing that Frank and William and Lily and Emma were siblings.

Have you looked to find them together in 1911?

Rose

don't know about England,but here in Ireland,its not unknown for someone having a relative bury a child in their burial plot...especially if it was a big family plot.

Hi,

I appear to have caused confusion, so if I can clarify.
The obituary record shows Veronica Cosgrove age 23 months living at 43 Highfield Lane Keighley,died Victoria hospital Keighley, buried 03 Feb 1938.
The Voters Poll record shows William and Emma Cosgrove at that address at the time.
I located a marriage for these 2 in Barnsley 1912 and that was all I could find.
Subsequently someone else found Frank Cosgrove and lily Gill who married in 1926 in Bramley Leeds and it is now believed that although they were not on the voters list for the time, they may well be the parents
This assumption is based on their ages, as William and Emma may have been too old to have a child.
It may be that Veronica was living with relatives rather than her parents at the time, and so I am trying to establish a link with Frank Cosgrove and William Cosgrove , and also the link between Emma Gill and Lily Gill, as this would explain why she was in Keighley.

I then need to establish what connection there was with my family - the Priestley's.

I appreciate this is very complex, hence my plea for help.
KInd regards
Joan
:-)

Hi Joan

Not sure until I've done a better search but it looks like there is a connection between your family and the Gills

1911 census - household transcription

Name Relation Condition/Yrs married Sex Age BirthYear Occupation Where Born

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GILL, Abraham Head Married M 42 1869 Clothier Dealer Steeton Yorks
GILL, Hannah Wife Married 4 years F 50 1861 Bradford Yorks
GILL, Jane Mother Widow F 73 1838 Cononley Yorks

PRIESTLEY, Lillie Emnett Niece Single F 23 1888 Newspaper Office Clerk Keighley Yorks

WILLETE, Amelia Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Wombwell Yorks VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26087 Reference:
RG14PN26087 RG78PN1508 RD492 SD2 ED23 SN113

Registration District:
Keighley Sub District:
Keighley Enumeration District:
23 Parish:
Keighley

Address:
93 Devonshire St Keighley K County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

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The marriage of Hannah and Abraham ??

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)

>>>>Gill Abraham Keighley 9a 274b
HILTON Eliza Ann Keighley 9a 274b
>>>>Priestley Hannah Keighley 9a 274b
Sutcliffe Walter Keighley 9a 274b

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Now in 1901 census Lily is daughter to Hannah-- And Abraham is a boarder

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Hannah Priestley
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Keighley
Ecclesiastical parish: Keighley St Andrew
Town: Keighley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address>>>> 38 Highfield Lane

Registration district: Keighley
Sub-registration district: Keighley
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 4076
Folio: 121
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Priestley 41 --wid--Bradford
Lily Priestley 13 --daut--Keighley
Abraham Gill 32 --boarder--Tailor Shopkeeper--Yks Steeton?
John H W Reeson 25 --boarder
James C Ashe 23--boarder
Henry Joseph 22 -- boarder


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4076; Folio: 121; Page: 12.

This looks as if "how" Hannah fits into the Priestley family (on the image it does say Priestley for Abraham and Jonathan )

Hannahs first marriage

Name: Hannah Peel ----living at Newsholme
Birth Year: abt 1859
Age: 25
Marriage or Bann Date: 3 Dec 1884
Parish: Keighley
Father's name: Samuel Peel ---Farmer
Spouse's Name: Abraham Riestley ---32--Draper ? --Bradford
Spouse's Father's Name: Jonathan Riestley ----Farmer

Wittnesses---Peter Emmott and Flattrey ?

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Hannahs marriage to Abraham Gill

Name: Hannah Priestley --widow
Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 45
Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Feb 1907
Parish: Keighley, St Andrew
Father's name: Samuel Peel --Farmer (dec)
Spouse's Name: Abraham Gill --39-Gentlemens Outfitter
Spouse's Father's Name: Jonas Gill (Dec )

Wittnesses--William Edward Peel and Lily Emmott

Address for both 38 Highfield Lane

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Death index for

Deaths Sep 1900

PRIESTLEY Abraham --age 50 --Keighley 9a 137


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And just maybe its all no good as I still cant find anything to get up to baby Veronica Cosgrove .

Barbara x

This looks like the marriage of William and Emma below and the couple pre marriage in 1911, but it may not help. Veronica could well be their child as Emma would only have been 40 when she was born and there is a line of earlier children of the couple born in Barnsley which fit in well with Veronica's later birth.

Name: William Cosgrove
Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 29 Mar 1914
Parish: Cudworth, St John The Baptist
Father's name: George Cosgrove
Spouse's Name: Emma - Age 18
Spouse's Father's Name: William Gill

1911
GILL, William Head Married M 37 1874 Coal Miner Hewer Tipton S Staff VIEW
GILL, Slenia Wife Married
18 years F 37 1874 Ettinghall Wolverhampton VIEW
GILL, William Son Single M 18 1893 Trammer Colliery Tiptons Staffs VIEW
GILL, Emma Daughter Single F 15 1896 Tiptons Staffs VIEW
GILL, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Brownhill Staff VIEW
GILL, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Brownhill Staff VIEW
GILL, Harriet Daughter Single F 7 1904 School S S L Lancashire VIEW
GILL, Joseph Son Single M 4 1907 School W T Monkbritton VIEW
GILL, Slenia Daughter Single M 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Yks Barnsley VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27565 Reference:
RG14PN27565 RG78PN1578 RD507 SD2 ED6 SN485

Registration District:
Barnsley Sub District:
Barnsley Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Barnsley

Address:
64 Waltham St Barnsley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

1911

COSGROVE, George Head Married
20 years M 46 1865 Hauler Collier Or Miner Eaglestown VIEW
COSGROVE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 43 1868 Brynn Lancashire VIEW
COSGROVE, William Son Single M 18 1893 Coal Miner Pony Driver Downt The Mine Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
COSGROVE, Margaret Ellen Daughter Single F 17 1894 Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
COSGROVE, John Son M 12 1899 Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
COSGROVE, Thomas Son M 10 1901 School Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
COSGROVE, David Son M 7 1904 Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
COSGROVE, Jane Daughter F 4 1907 Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
COSGROVE, Annie Daughter F 1 1910 Denaby Yorkshire VIEW
CHAMBERS, Robert Lodger Single M 17 1894 Pony Driver Down The Mine Coalminer Rotherham Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27530 Reference:
RG14PN27530 RG78PN1576 RD506 SD2 ED2 SN116

Registration District:
Hemsworth Sub District:
Hemsworth Western Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Brierley

Address:
11 Joseph St Grimethorpe Barnsley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Oh well this looks like the answer tp Hannahs daughter / niece ---she was her neice but it looks as if she lived with Hannah from being young

Name: Lilly Emmott
Birth Date: abt 1887
Parish: Keighley
Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1887
Father's name: Peter Emmott
Mother's name: Mary Elizabeth Emmott

Mary Elizabeth was Hannahs sister Mary Elizabeth Peel