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julie

julie Report 24 Jul 2011 17:37

Hi looking for an explanation as to why a relative would suddenly not appear on any census. I have traced my GT GT grandfather to the 1871 census where is 34 and married. however there is no record of him on 1861 /51/41 census. How can he just disappear from records.?

My own thoughts are he was living out of the country but records say he was born in salford manchester could this be error? The name is Cawley and it does have Irish links. I would be grateful for any ideas. Thanks julie Southworth

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 24 Jul 2011 17:57

How can we help you without his name ?

The 51 census was water-logged and 61 has missing pages for Salford

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 24 Jul 2011 18:14

There are many reasons why our ancestors do not appear in the census records where we expect them to be.

Census enumerators may have misheard what they were being told. They may have spelled names differently (Remember that there is no such thing as standardised spelling of names) or because they were human just like us they may have simply made a mistake.

The next step in the recording process is transcribing the record itself. Trying to decipher someone else’s handwriting is not always easy and often results in the record being incorrectly transcribed. Once again the people doing the transcribing are human so mistakes are made. Mistranscriptions can be very frustrating.

Here is a tip which may help you to find who you are searching for.

Type the persons forename into the census search form but leave the surname box completely empty. You can do this in reverse if you wish, entering a surname but leaving the forename box empty. Remember that people often used a different 1st name from the one they were born/baptised with. E.G. Dick = Richard, Harry = Henry, Nellie = Eleanor, Betsy = Elizabeth ect. Be aware also of common enumerators abbreviations such as Thos = Thomas, Hy = Henry, Wm = William ect

Type the persons birth year +/- 2 or +/- 5 years. Some people were not sure how old they were or they may have deliberately lied about their age to make themselves appear younger or older than their spouse. Children’s ages in census returns are generally more likely to be accurate than those of adults.

Type in their birth county/birthplace. Sometimes it pays to leave the birthplace blank because that too may have been misheard or mistranscribed. Some people genuinely did not know their exact place of birth.

Press "Search". This will bring up a list of all the people with that name of approximate age born in that county/place. Scroll through the list (It may be a long list) and hopefully you will find your missing ancestor shown as Borne instead of Bourne or Wilks instead of Wilkes or similar. It doesn't always work but it might.

Look for patterns in words rather than names just beginning with the 1st letter of the correct name. E.G. Baldrick has 8 letters and ends 'ick' as does Coldrick. Anyone looking for someone called Tucker may well be shocked to discover how some of their ancestors were mistranscribed.

Good luck with your research.

Choccy

Choccy Report 24 Jul 2011 19:07


this one ?

1871

CAWLEY, Thomas Head M 34 1837 Lancashire VIEW
CAWLEY, Mary Ann Wife F 27 1844 Lancashire VIEW
CAWLEY, Thomas Son M 5 1866 Lancashire VIEW
CAWLEY, John W Son M 0 1871 Lancashire VIEW
SHAW, John Boarder M 20 1851 Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4022 Folio:
64 Page:
20

Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Regent Road Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Salford Municipal Borough:
Salford Address:
Anderson Street, Salford County:
Lancashire

Choccy

Choccy Report 24 Jul 2011 19:09



Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%)
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>>>>>CAWLEY Thomas Salford 8d 66
JACKSON William Salford 8d 66
>>>>>SHAW Mary Ann Salford 8d 66
WOOD Alice Salford 8d 66



Choccy

Choccy Report 24 Jul 2011 19:21



??

1851

1851 England Census

Name: Thomas Cawley
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Newton
Town: Bradford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Manchester and Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 2231
Folio: 30
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
James Williamson 39
Frances Williamson 43
Thomas Cawley 16



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2231; Folio: 30; Page: 8; GSU roll: .


Choccy

Choccy Report 24 Jul 2011 19:25



the marriage certificate would confirm father's name and occupation -


but this could be him -

Thomas Cawley
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Manchester, Lancashire, England
parents: Thomas Cawley, Eliza Cawley

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Thomas Cawley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 24 May 1835
baptism/christening place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
father's name: Thomas Cawley
mother's name: Eliza Cawley
indexing project (batch) number: I06870-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545609