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Hi, I am trying to find my Great Grandmothers birth certificate. My Grandfather was born in St Pancras workhouse. On the records there my G Grandmothers date of birth is written on a few of the records. However when I have ordered birth certificates with her name in Oct-Dec 1898 there are no matches with her date of birth. I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice please, as I am a little stuck. Thankyou.

Hi Sindy, Maybe it's just me, but I don't quite follow what you are saying.

Was it just your grandfather who was born in St.Pancras workhouse. Do you have any idea where your gt.grandmother was born?

remember 6 weeks to register a birth so born 2nd half of November could be indexed the following year eg march quarter 1899

Roy

Thankyou for your replies. My Great Grandmothers name was Elizabeth Pritchard, she gave birth to her son (my Grandad) at St Pancras Workhouse. At the Metropolotan archives her birth date was listed at 01.10.1898. I have looked up the births in this quarter and have ordered the birth certificates one by one, but sadly there are none that match her birth date. So either she was not telling the truth or the workhouse records are incorrect. I am unsure of where she was born, but have assumed it would be London. However it is like looking for a needle in a haystack as there are quite a few Elizabeth Pritchards within a few years of this time frame and I am not sure how to narrow it down. The closest match I have found is a birth for a Elizabeth Pritchard born 01.11.97 (1 year, one month, one day diffference) but I have wondered if there could be a connection. I hope I am making sense. Thanks.

Have you got her marriage cert for her fathers details?

you could then look for her on the 1901 census

Roy

And also we can try for the 1911 to cross-check.
Do you know any more about her?
Thanks

I am afraid I cannot find her marriage details (if she did get married). Again, there are quite a few with her name in BMD records. Family members know very little about her, though I would assume she was born in London. We were told she emigrated to Canada but have found no matches with the information we have. I wondered if anyone knew how to narrow down BMD records when there appears to be more than one potential ancestor.

Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Pritchard Female Croydon 2a 211

(and another possible below)


Name: Elizabeth Mary Pritchard
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1897
Father's name: John Pritchard (Labourer)
Mother's name: Mary Pritchard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(says born 1 Oct 1897)

Chris :)

Hi Chris, thankyou for your help. I did order the birth certificate for the (un-named) Pritchard born in Croydon 2a 211 and there first name was not Elizabeth so I eliminated them.

I was just wondering where you got the information for the second one you have mentioned- Elizabeth Mary Pritchard. I obtained her birth certificate and found her birth date was 1st November 1897, which I found was a strange coincidence as my ancestors date of birth was the 01.10.1898. I was wondering where you got the last piece of information above that says "born 1 Oct 1897" as I have not seen this before. Thankyou for your help and taking time to reply. :-)

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Hello Sindy, it is a Baptism from the above London collection on Ancestry, which have come from the LMA. (they also have Marriages and Banns 1754 - 1921, Deaths and Burials 1813 - 1980) although the collection isn't complete.

Does say 1st Oct. on image, address given as 152 High Rd.

(was looking for her on 1901)...

Chris :)


1911 (Warley Hospital?)

PRITCHARD, Elizabeth Inmate F 13 1898 London Poplar

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
10015 Reference:
RG14PN10015 RD193 SD1 ED25 SN9999

Registration District:
Billericay Sub District:
Brentwood Enumeration District:
25 Parish:
Little Warley

Address:
Hutton Brentwood Essex County:
Essex


1901 (possible)

PRITCHARD, Mary Head Widow F 40 1861 Charwoman
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Susan Daughter Single F 18 1883
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Evangeline Daughter F 13 1888
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Emily Daughter F 10 1891
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1897
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Thomas Son M 15 1886
Poplar
London
DORE, Ellen Cousin Widow F 33 1868 Waitress
Poplar
London
DORE, Dorothy Cousin F 6 1895
Poplar
London

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1576 Folio:
42 Page:
6

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Plaistow Enumeration District:
52 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
West Ham Municipal Borough:
Address:
37, Carlton Street, West Ham County:
Essex

Thankyou very much for this and your help. As I say I have the birth certificate for Elizabeth Mary Pritchard b.01.11.97 On the birth certificate the fathers name is listed as Thomas Pritchard (not John), Mother Mary Ann Pritchard. Like you say there address was 152 high Street Poplar.

I have been in contact with someone on genes reunited who is an ancestor or this Elizabeth. She sais that the father listed on her birth certificate (Thomas) was not her biological father as Elizabeths mother Mary had an affair. Though Thomas brought up Eliza until his death apparently Elizabeths half sisters always trated her badly as she was illigitimate. Perhaps this is why she ended up in the workhouse after the death of her mother and stepfather.

Hello
If you have your Grandfathers name and date of birth you can check census It is possible she had another name as well as Elizabeth and she may have gone to London when she found she was pregnant

I have found this one
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Pritchard
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1898
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 482

Regards
Mary

Name: Evangeline Emily Pritchard
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1888
Baptism Date: 15 Aug 1888
Father's name: Thomas Colson Pritchard
Mother's name: Mary Ann Pritchard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Hallows
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(born 31st July. (9 Albert Street, fathers occ. Baker)

Evangeline on above 1901?...


Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
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ASHBY Mary Ann Poplar 1c 1132
Pritchard Thomas Coulson Poplar 1c 1132

1891 (but not a Baker)

PRITCHARD, Thomas Head Married M 34 1857 Car Man
Clerkenwell
London
PRITCHARD, Mary A Wife Married F 28 1863
Ightham
Kent
PRITCHARD, Susan Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Arthur Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Evangeline Daughter F 2 1889
Poplar
London
PRITCHARD, Emily Daughter F 0 (4M) 1891
Poplar
London

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
327 Folio:
36 Page:
17

Registration District:
Poplar Sub District:
Bromley Enumeration District:
41 Ecclesiastical Parish:
All Hallows

Civil Parish:
Bromley Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Albert Street, Bromley County:
London



1901 (the Hilda Elizabeth from Irene's find)

PRITCHARD, Edward W Head Married M 24 1877 Paper Hanger
Hackney
London
PRITCHARD, Elizh Wife Married F 26 1875
Hackney
London
PRITCHARD, Hilda E Daughter Single F 2 1899
Hackney
London
PRITCHARD, Grace E Daughter Single F 1 1900
Hackney
London
LUCK, Emma Sister-In-Law Single F 15 1886 Threader In Stay Factory
Hackney
London

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
218 Folio:
159 Page:
27

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
Central Hackney Enumeration District:
17 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Clapton All Saints

Civil Parish:
Hackney Municipal Borough:
Address:
153, Rushmore Road, Hackney County:
London

Hi Chris, yes Evangeline Emily is one of the sisters with Thomas Colson as their Father. It is difficult to know for certain whether or not this is my ancestral family. I think I may go back to LMA one day and go through their births etc.

Thankyou for your post Mary, I have also wondered if Elizabeth could have been her middle name ( as sometimes was) I have arodered all the birth certificates for Oct-Dec 1898 for elizabeth Pritchard, but sadly none match the date of birth I found in the workhouse records at the London Metropolitan Archives. I have noticed there are a couple of females born in the same quarter with Elizabeth as a middle name, but as I have not ordered these do not know whether ir not there is a link. Also I do not know for certain whether the date of birth at the archives is correct. None of my family members know either.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=O113492

(if of any help now or later, above link for info. on Warley Hospital Records)

Chris :)

(couple more Baptisms)

Name: Emily Pritchard
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 3 Feb 1891
Father's name: Thomas Pritchard
Mother's name: Mary Ann Pritchard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Hallows
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(born 27th Nov 1890, 9 Albert Street, fathers occ. Labourer)


Name: Arthur Syndey Pritchard
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1887
Father's name: Thomas Coulson Pritchard
Mother's name: Mary Ann Pritchard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Hallows
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(1 Athol Street, fathers occ. Baker)

Thankyou Chris.