Genealogy Chat

Just logged back on aftr having evening meal and preparing tomorrow's. What can I say - you wonderful wonderful people. I can't thank you enough. At long last my brick wall is crashing down. You have no idea how much I appreciate your hard work and help. Thank you all again.

and in 1891

1891

CLAYTON, Fred Head Married M 29 1862 Sawyer
Deptford
Kent VIEW
CLAYTON, Jane Wife Married F 32 1859 Washerwoman
Romsey
Hampshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
520 Folio:
83 Page:
48

Registration District:
Lewisham Sub District:
Lewisham Enumeration District:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephens

Civil Parish:
Lewisham Municipal Borough:
Address:
45, Elswick Road, Lewisham County:
London

he's living at the same address in 1901


1901

193 CLAYTON, Frederick W Head Married M 42 1859 House Decorator
Deptford
London VIEW
193 CLAYTON, Jane Wife Married F 43 1858
N K Further
Wiltshire VIEW

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194 BURNS, James Head Married M 43 1858 Journeyman Tailor
Shoreditch
London VIEW
194 BURNS, Emily Wife Married F 32 1869
Shoreditch
London VIEW
194 BURNS, Edith Daughter Single F 12 1889 Schoolgirl
Lewisham
London VIEW
194 BURNS, Rose Daughter Single F 10 1891 Schoolgirl
Lewisham
London VIEW
194 BURNS, Elsie Daughter Single F 3 1898
Lewisham
London VIEW

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195 OTTAWAY, Hannah Head Widow F 44 1857 Charwoman
Deaf Deptford
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
548 Folio:
43 Page:
26

Registration District:
Lewisham Sub District:
Lewisham Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephens

Civil Parish:
Lewisham Municipal Borough:
Address:
45, Elswick Road, Lewisham County:
London

Having looked at the image out of curiosity I would say that it is H F the son age 6mths and not H T.

also says 3 children and 1 died

the hand writing is awful and his name may not actually be S W if you compare with other 'S' also the older son could be G A and not E A,

sorry not much help

Jennifer

Margaret, If you feel the Agnes H Clayton birth is one of yours then the cert may throw some light on problem.

Roy

Andrew, i think you will find that the 1906 marriage she married Albrert Betteridge.

Roy

Could this be Agnes Elocock born 1886 Romsey??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
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Betteridge Albert Richard Romsey 2c 215
BETTERIDGE Albrert Richard Romsey 2c 215
ELCOCK Agnes Romsey 2c 215
ELKINS Elizabeth Mary Romsey 2c 215
SILLENCE Harry George Romsey 2c 215


Andy

Prokie Pie - thank you for that. I had already actually thought to search for other children of a Clayton/Elcock and have indeed found them but until I can find S W Clayton I cannot firmly establish whether this couple were married or not. I have my doubts. Thanks to everyone who has tried to help. Off to make the evening meal now. Will be back on later in case anyone else replies.

possible sibling
Name: Agnes H Clayton
Mother's Maiden Name: Elcock
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1913
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 2081


Roy

Rutland Belle - I suspect you are right. I suspect the Harry Frederick could be the child of A G but not the other one. A G was not in London at that time so am thinking the fellow was married previoiusly. Thank you for replying.

have you checked the actual image?Could the H T actualy be H F age 6 months

If so this could be the birth and the cert will give parents names

possible birth
Name: Harry F Clayton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1910
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1063


Roy

what about a birth cert of one of the children
???
Dec 1910
CLAYTON Harry F Lewisham 1d 1063

On 1911 census, I have the following: 45 Elswick Road, Lewisham, London
S W Clayton age 45 house painter b. Deptford
A G age 25 b. Romsey, Hants
E A age 7 b. 1904 Lewisham
H T age 6 months b. Lewisham
I age 49 Sister b. Lewisham

I am hoping that the A G is Agnes Gertrude nee Elcock but unfortunately I cannot find a marriage for her and a Clayton so I suspect she was not married to the mysterious Mr. Clayton. I have tried the 1901 census for SW Clayton b Deptford but cannot find him, neither can I find his birth which would have been 1866-ish. He could have been Samuel, Simon, Stephen, Simeon or anything and second name could be William, Wilfred or anything. I have racked my brains as to how I can determine who he is from the limited information I have. Thanks for any brilliant ideas you may come up with !!