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Now if I wanted to know abt some place in Scotland, or get an 1890s county map showing parishes, I'ld turn to Groome:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/
Well, aside from the maps the English equivalent is Lewis (1848):
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=445
So, assuming I didn't know anything abt Coxhoe, I could find:
COXHOE, a township, in the parish of Kelloe, S. division of Easington ward, union, and N. division of the county, of Durham, 5½ miles (S. E. by S.) from Durham,...[etc]
Now there's 2 key items here - firstly, Coxhoe is in the parish of Kelloe, and secondly, it's in the poor-law union of Durham.
The first 1837 rego districts were (almost?) all based on the poor-law unions. So this is my William on FreeBMD:
Births Dec 1845 (>99%)
Benson William Durham 24 84
If I click on the "Durham" link, then the more info "here" link, I get to see the villages, etc in Durham RD.
The bit I'm interested in is:
DURHAM REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Durham.
Created : 1.7.1837 (sometimes "Durham & Lanchester" in early listings)..
Abolished : 1.7.1938 (succeeded by Durham Central, Durham Northern, Durham North Western districts).
Sub-districts : Brandon; Durham; Lanchester; St. Nicholas; St. Oswald; Tanfield.
Registers now in County of Durham district.
Now you may know, there are 3 places I can buy English BMDs from, namely the GRO, the local RO that holds the regos for where the event took place, and the church that holds the marr rego (if it's in their current rego - their old ones are all deposited in some archive - usually the county records office).
One can also pay companies to place your order with the GRO for you - this more than doubles the cost.
At the end of each quarter, the local churches sent a copy of their quarter's events to the local RD. A copy was made for the GRO and the church's copies were eventually bound together (I think).
The subdistrict registrars also made copies of their quarters events, and sent them to the RD superintendant, who checked them over, and gathered all the bundles of copies together and shipped them off to the GRO.
The GRO would stack the bundles, then stack the stacks until they got the whole volume together, then get it bound.
When a subdistrict rego was filled, it was sent in to the district superintendent.
Some local indices are (partly) online - see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
and in particular:
http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/ where I find:
Surname: BENSON
Forename: William
Year: 1845
District: Durham Western
Register No. - Entry No. - District
SN+12 - 138 - Durham Western (1845)
[The last 2 lines are gotten from the application form]
We can guess SN+12 is the 12th b.rego for the St Nicholas subdistrict, and the entry #=138 (there's 500 entries 5 per page in a B/D rego).
This is difft info from the GRO index - neither has everything the other has.
Marr searches are often better pre 1912 on FreeBMD. On Ancestry too, I can search for James, and click on the page # link to see who else is on the page.
This naturally includes his bride, but also one other couple, and here, w/o seeing a kid's b.cert, I might have bother deciding which Mary he wed.
Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
Carruthers James Lanchester 10a 533
Clough Mary Lanchester 10a 533
Fagan John Lanchester 10a 533
McNally Mary Lanchester 10a 533
If Mary Carruthers were a widow in 1911, I could still easily find this page of names on FreeBMD, but not (I think) on Ancestry so easily.
The local index gives:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
CARRUTHERS James 1898 Durham Northern
CLOUGH Mary 1898 Durham Northern
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNRLAN38 - 22 - Durham Northern (1898)
Since the ref here is to entry #, one does know who wed whom.
The DNRLAN rego is, I presume the Lanchester registrar's own rego.
This would include all rego office marrs, and also all church marrs he attended where the minister wasn't authorized to keep a rego.
The law changed in 1898, but I don't know exactly when.
Before 1898, only C of E, jews & quakers were authorized to keep regos.
After, only RCs weren't (until 1980ish). There would be a bit of a delay in getting authorized.
They had to provide a secure location to keep the regos in, and get approved.
Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
Allan Mary Tynemouth 10b 323
Barkas William Tynemouth 10b 323
Cooper William Tynemouth 10b 323
STEELE Jane Annie Tynemouth 10b 323
COOPER, William
ALLAN, Mary
Marriage date: 1871
Register Book, Entry Number: C-1 16, 20
Unfortunately, N Tyneside don't say which church C-1 is.
(from the C prefix, I guess it's a C of E church)
Here's a look up at:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Groom's Name: William Cooper
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mary Allan
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1871
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Cooper
Bride's Father's Name: Mark Allan
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13567-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1068933
[Very occassionally, the church is poorly identified.
In these cases, try a film # search in the FS library catalog]
The extra bits you'ld see on the actual m.cert are the witnesses, who signed with an X, whether marr by banns or by licence.
Pre 1875, a numerical age wasn't always given.It might just say "full" (i.e., 21+), or minor (14-20 for males, 12-20 for females).
In addition to look ups on FS, they have some unindexed collections of images.
The one of interest here is the Durham bishop's transcripts.
(These were the churchs own back up copies.)
So getting back to my William Benson
DUR BTs - Kelloe (St Helen's - image 509 of 723)
BAPTISMS Solemnized in the Parish of Kelloe
in the County of Durham in the Year 1845
When Baptized; Child's Christian Name; Parents' Name; Abode; Quality, Trade or Profession; By whom the Ceremony was performed
November 16 [Entry] No 949; William; 2nd Son of William Benson & Isabella (late Douglas); Coxhoe Long Row; Pitman; W Skene Curate.
Starting 1812ish, they started using preprinted regos for bp. marr, bur.
The NE is a bit unusual compared with the rest of England.
In the NE, you're much more likely to see the mum's MS, maybe a marginal dob, and the numbering of kids - there's 2 of these extra elements in my William's bp.
It also makes life easier if you know the exact date of the baptism, but no luck with an FS look up.
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Here's a look up at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Piece: SCT1851/248 Place: Tyrie -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Tyrie Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: New Pitsligo
Folio: 183 Page: 7 Schedule: 30
Address: 12 School Street
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SHAND Elizabeth Head U F 34 Laundress & Wheat Bread Dealer Aberdeenshire - Aberdour
ROBERTSON William Son - M 11 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Tyrie
SUTHERLAND Andrew Son - M 2 Aberdeenshire - Tyrie
Try an Ancestry look up for Eli* Shand in parish # 248 - you'll see FreeCEN's display is much more informative than Ancestry's.
Also it's easy on FreeCEN to look at the previous h/h - here that constains Andrew's Uncle George
Also Ancestry doesn't transcribe the marital status nor disability.
The trouble with FreeCEN is they don't have complete coverage in any county.
Caithness is best with some 1881, but even 1841is not all done for all Scotland.
I always copy the transcriptions of Ancestry's censuses.
For English censuses, where you can click on the "show others on page" link, I modify the initial transcription, adding addy, marital, occup, disability from image to get:
1851 England Census
Civil parish: Parton
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address: Parton
Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 78
William Benson 31 Parton, Cumberland, England Head M Coal Miner
Isabella Benson 30 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Wife M
George Benson 10 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Son
William Benson 5 Cochoe [Coxhoe], Durham, England Son
Isabella Benson 2 Parton, Cumberland, England Daughter
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2436; Folio: 213; Page: 19; GSU roll: 87117.
The [] contains my corrections.
The Source Citation: ho107/2436/213/19 uniquely identifies the page
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William,
May I suggest you investigate following website
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/
It is easy to access, cost is not prohibitive, buy & use credits, & it has huge amounts of data related to so many from the north of England.
Like you, most of my forebears were from Scotland & the Tyne & Wear area & I have found lots of specific info needed.
:-) :-)
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I have the following details. William Robinson Cooper (b 1892 Earsdon, Tynemouth, Northumberland, UK --died 1960 NSW Australia) married Hannah Carruthers (b 1899 Lanchester, Durham UK---- died 1986 NSW Australia). He was the youngest of 8 children to William Robinson Cooper and Mary Allen. Hannah was the eldest of 6 children ( 1 deceased by 1911) to James Carruthers and Mary Clough. I have the birth, marriage and death certificates of William Jr and Hannah. I guess my next step is to get the death, marriage and birth certificates of their respective parents and see what further information they reveal. Once again, thanks to all.
Bill
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My local library has a subscription to FMP which is helpful on finding the index entries as well as census images (including the 1911 census). I also have a 12 month subscription to Ancestry which has been OK. The problem I have found with trees there though is that often errors are simply copied from tree to tree. That's the reason that I like to see the actual registration image or certificate.
Bill
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Thanks for that very prompt reply. I will do what you suggest and check out the trees and Family Search. The situation re. cost is actually much worse in Australia. The equivalent image I buy from Scotland's People for Au$1-50 is Au$17-00 here.
Bill :-)
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Why not try entering some of the names you have in Search Trees, you may get lucky and find that someone is already researching the same family.
I know exactly what you mean about common names (my Grandfather was a Smith) and in England there's not really any way round it. Sometimes the census records can help in determining family members but you'll need to be back as far as 1911 before they're any help to you.
Have you looked at www.freebmd.org.uk? This also gives BMDs and after 1911 the births include the mother's maiden name.
Another option could be a free 14 day trial with either FMP or Ancestry (don't forget to cancel before the time is up).
Finally there are many people on this site who have lots of researching experience and would be happy to try and help.
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Unfortuantly in england there is no way of viewing certs without buying them,
there are some parish records on familysearch.org the projects are ongoing so being updated all the time, its free to use too.
you could use the search trees facility on here to see if anyone has a match to who you are searching for.
Lorraine
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Hello all,
I am located in Australia and have just began researching my wife's family. They came fro Newcastle upon Tyne. I have a little experience after researching my own family who hailed from Glasgow. I guess I was a little spoiled by the excellent records (and registration images) of the Scotland GROS data available on line at quite a low cost. I got used to getting birth, marriage and death on not only direct ancestors but also each ancestor's siblings as well as how many dispersed. However I find that access to the English data is quite different. I assume that the organisation "FindMyPast" is the English equivalent to "Scotland's People" but it seems it is nowhere near as helpful. Searches for various BDMs give an index result giving quarter, year, district. But if the names involved are reasonably common then there are often several results that fit the search criteria. Until I view the actual registration I am never sure that I am on the right track. But at Au$15-00 a certificate, the cumulative cost of purchasing multiple incorrect certificates is simply prohibitive (without even thinking about looking at siblings). I sure would be grateful for any advice as to how I can get the information I am searching for without wasting fistfuls of cash.
Kind regards,
Bill
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