Genealogy Chat

Oh wow Dee, you have looked at so much,
Thank you so much for taking the time at looking all these for me,
will get some Certificates ordered,
what you have done is brilliant.
A really big thank you Dee, it's much appreciated.
Lorna

Lorna,

Looking at the Williams Harris side..... tread carefully and definately order Lilians birth certificate.

There are 3 births in Hackney with surname Williams and mothers maiden name Harris and they are born extremely close to each other; Reg June 1921, March 1922 and Dec 1923.

Hopefully the birth certificates for both Lilian and Albert will put you on definate firm tracks.

Dee x

Most likely his first wives death;

Deaths Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Yates Jane 35 Hackney 1b 736

Ok, back form work and looking again;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Alice Thatcher Name: Emma Alice Thatcher
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Henry Mumbray >> Carman.. occupation
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1912
Parish: Holy Trinity, Hoxton
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Edmund George Thatcher >> Occupation, Carman. Deceased.
Spouse Father Name: John Mumbray

1 of the witnesses ia Nelly Thatcher.


Her second marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John James Yates Name: John James Yates >> Occupation, Piano Forte Fitter
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Emme Mumbary
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1919
Parish: All Souls, Clapton
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Joseph Yates
Spouse Father Name: Edmund George Thatcher >> Carman

Both are widow or widowers.

Witnesses are Ethel maud Lewis (?) and Edwin Lewis (?)

Her baptism;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emma Alice Thatcher Name: Emma Alice Thatcher
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1892
Baptism Date: 31 Jul 1892
Father's Name: Edmand George Thatcher >> Carman
Mother's Name: Rebecca Thatcher
Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington


Looking at J J Yates;

1901 England Census
about John J Yates Name: John J Yates
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Yates
Mother's Name: Eliza Yates
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Piano Forte Fitter!!

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: North Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 361
Piece: 212
Folio: 150
Page Number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Yates 61
Eliza Yates 46
John J Yates 21


Looks like his first marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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COLLINS Jane Hackney 1b 1169
YATES John James Hackney 1b 1169


So now I'm thinking that Eileen Dorothy Yates born in 1903 and died 1921 as actually his first born child.

Thanks again Dee, for all the info.
Lorna

Thanks so much Dee,
i don't no any information about the family apart from what i put at the top.

I have found a marriage for a Harry williams marrying May harris in 1921,
vol no, 1B
page no. 918,
living in hackney,
Thinking this might be my nans parents, but not sure.

Thanks Dee for the help, have saved it.
Lorna

Someone has a tree on Ancestry with this info;

Name: Henry Mumbray
Birth: 1885 - St Lukes, Middlesex
Death: 27 Jul 1916 - France
Marriage: 22 Dec 1912
Spouse: Emma Alice Thatcher


maybe worth making contact if the info adds up??

Off to work now, Dee x

Possible children of Henry Mumbray and Emma Thatcher;

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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Mumbray Emma A Thatcher Shoreditch 1c 39

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Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Mumbray Henry W Thatcher Shoreditch 1c 70


And maybe Henry's death??

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about Henry Munbray Name: Henry Munbray
Birth Place: St. Luke's, Middlesex
Residence: Hoxton, Middlesex
Death Date: 27 Jul 1916
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Mill Hill, Middlesex
Rank: Private
Regiment: Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment)
Battalion: 23rd Battalion
Number: G/10337
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Mumbray Emma A Yates Hackney 1b 1027
Yates John J Mumbray Hackney 1b 1027


Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Jordan Lilian Richards Shoreditch 1c 161
>>>>>Membray Henry Thatcher Shoreditch 1c 161
>>>>>>>Mowbrfay Henry Thatcher Shoreditch 1c 161
Richards Herbert E W Jordan Shoreditch 1c 161
>>>>>>>Thatcher Emma A Mowbray Shoreditch 1c 161


Possible free check on the 1911 census for John J yates;

HOUSEHOLD YATES ELIZA ROSE F 1910 1 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD YATES JANE F 1881 30 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD YATES JOHN JAMES M 1880 31 Hackney London
>>>>HOUSEHOLD YATES EILEEN DOROTHY F 1908 3 Hackney London


Now in 1929 there is a birth for Eileen D Yates, mothers maiden name Thatcher in Hackney.

And it seems that the older Eileen Dorothy Yates died in 1921 in hackney.... so did they name their child after his sister???


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about John J Yates Name: John J Yates
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1942
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 314

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Emma A Yates Name: Emma A Yates
Birth Date: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1967
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 523

Obviously this is all just pure guess work.

Dee x

That's fantastic, thank you so much letting me know.
will get some ordered.
Thanks again.
Lorna

Lorna,

The GRO will post worldwide and the £9.25 cost does include postage to Ireland.

Good luck.

I tried the freebmd but didn't get any result,
will try to get the certificates, i live in Ireland so will need to see if
they will post over to here.
Thank you for your help it's much appreciated.
Lorna

Might be simplest to get the birth certs really. For Louisa I would think it essential as the surnames as so common.
Jan

Have you looked for possible marriages at the free site www.freebmd.org.uk

A very easy site to use.

Also a copy of either of the birth certificates you detail will give you the forenames of the parents. You can purchase copy certificates online from www.gro.gov.uk They will cost you £9.25 each including postage.

Hi, i don't no if anyone can as i don't have alot of information.
I am looking for marriage records (and birth records if possiable)
for my great grandparents.

i only have a bit of information for my nan and grandad, but not much.

So i am looking for the marriage between
A male Yates and a female Thatcher,
all i no is that they had a son called Albert william yates born in 1927
in hackney, england.
His birth records show volume number 1B and volume page is 583

Also looking for the marriage between male williams and female harris.

sorry still not much information, all i no is they had a daugher called Lilian Louise williams, born 1927 (they have her registed on here as 1928, see was born 27 dec1927, so i take it she wasn't registed till january 1928)
i hackney, england
Her birth records show volume number 1B and volume page is 698.

Soryy it's not much information but that is all i no, can't ask family, sorry.

Thanks for any help
Lorna