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Hi am looking for info re james
I know he was born abt 1797 in Portree isle of skye
He married Jessie (?Jeanette) Munro who was born abt 1793 in portree too
They had 6-7 children
?Margaret Catherine b abt 1825
Alexander b 1827
Mary abt 1829
John b abt 1830
Catherine b abt 1832
Norman b 1839
Assitanc every much sort....have tried looking up Scottish records with no success. The family migrated out to Australia in 1852
Many thanks Helen :-S

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Norman Mckenzie
Name: Norman Mckenzie
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 17
Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1854
Arrival Port: Portland, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Edward Johnston
Nationality: Scottish

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Norman McKenzie
Name: Norman McKenzie
Spouse Name: Catherine Cadpbell (Campbell)
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Number: 3104

stralia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Norman McKenzie
Name: Norman McKenzie
Death Place: St Agnes, Victoria
Age: 70
Father's Name: McKenzie Jas
Mother's Name: Janet Munro
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 3199
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Mary McKenzie
Name: Mary McKenzie
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 53
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Janet Munro
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 8540
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Alexr McKenzie
Name: Alexr McKenzie
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 60
Father's Name: Jas
Mother's Name: Jessie Munroe
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 12476
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Jno McKenzie
Name: Jno McKenzie
Death Place: St Agnes, Victoria
Age: 76
Father's Name: McKenzie Jas
Mother's Name: Janet Munrc
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7684
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832

This look like two of the children?

1851 Scotland Census
about Mary Mackenzie
Name: Mary Mackenzie
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lochcarron, Ross-Shire
Parish Number: 85
Civil parish: Urray
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Achmore
Occupation: General Serv
ED: 3
Page: 8 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 29
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_18
Household Members: Name Age
John Macrae 38
Christy Macrae 60
Kenneth Macrae 35
John Henderson 28
Roderick Macdonald 21
Norman Mackenzie 17 <<<<<<<<<
Roderick Macdonald 16
Alexander Maclennan 17
Bell Urquhart 24
Mary Mackenzie 25 <<<<<<<<

1851 Scotland Census
about James McKenzie
Name: James McKenzie
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Jessie McKenzie
Gender: Male
Where born: P Portree, Invss
Parish Number: 114
Civil parish: Portree
County: Inverness
Address: Fearns
Occupation: Crofter 2 Acres
ED: 12
Page: 22 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 54
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_27
Household Members: Name Age
James McKenzie 54
Jessie McKenzie 58
Alexr McKenzie 24
Margaret McKenzie 26
Catharine McKenzie 23
John McKenzie 21
Don McKenzie 15
Jean McKenzie 12
William Mclaud 18

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about James Mckenzie
Name: James Mckenzie
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Age: 52
Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1854
Arrival Port: Portland, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Edward Johnston
Nationality: Scottish

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Donald Mckenzie
Name: Donald Mckenzie
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Age: 19
Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1854
Arrival Port: Portland, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Edward Johnston
Nationality: Scottish

Name: Norman Mckenzie
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 17
Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1854
Arrival Port: Portland, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Edward Johnston
Nationality: Scottish

Looks like the other siblings are on the same ship but I dont know if you already have this info so I'll wait until you come back

Now I found this possible for James

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Jas McKenzie
Name: Jas McKenzie
Death Place: Hexham, Victoria
Father's Name: Alexdr
Mother's Name: Mary McSwain
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 4742

And tree on Ancestry has this

James McKenzie
Birth: Abt 1797 - Portree, Invss (Inverness-shire)
Death: 25 Jan 1869 - Ballangeich, Victoria, Australia
Parents: Alexander McKenzie, Mary McSwain
Spouse: Janet (Jessie) Munro

So one of them is wrong!


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Jessie McKenzie
Name: Jessie McKenzie
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 63
Father's Name: Munto Alexande
Registration Year: 1858
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 6378
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795

This looks like the children in 1841:

1841 Scotland Census
about Norman Mckenzie
Name: Norman Mckenzie
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Inverness, Scotland

Civil parish: Portree
County: Inverness
Address: Leck
Parish Number: 114
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Mckenzie 19
Mary Mckenzie 16
Catherine Mckenzie 21
Norman Mckenzie 7
John Mckenzie 10

Many thanks...re james Mckenzie death ..have certificate it is the ballnageich one
Jean is a new name i have not seen before...have no record of her anywhere ...is she on the shipping record as having come out here

Just checked Jean and she is listed as a visitor with the family in 1851

Nothing showing for her in Australia

I was interested in exactly where in Portree psh they were. One can check the Hebrides map and see where Portree Psh is at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/


I looked up the 2 above censuses again on FreeCEN
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Here I can easily page to neighbour h/hs (in census books). I went in each direction until I got a change of addy.


Piece: SCT1841/114 Place: Portree -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: Portree Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 11 Page: 2
Address: Lock Rasay
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCKENZIE Alexander M 19 Inverness-shire
MCKENZIE Mary F 16 Inverness-shire
MCKENZIE Catherine F 21 Inverness-shire
MCKENZIE Norman M 7 Inverness-shire
MCKENZIE John M 10 Inverness-shire

Folio: 11 Page: 4
Address: Ferns Rasay

(Folio: 11 Page: 1 starts with Address: Lock Rasay)



Piece: SCT1851/114 Place: Portree -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 12
Civil Parish: Portree Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 83 Page: 22 Schedule: 54
Address: Fearns
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCKENZIE James Head M M 54 Crofter 2 Acres Inverness-shire - Portree
MCKENZIE Jessie Wife M F 58 Crofter's Wife Inverness-shire - Portree
MCKENZIE Alex Son U M 24 Labourer Inverness-shire - Portree
MCKENZIE Margaret Daur U F 26 At Home Inverness-shire - Portree
MCKENZIE Catharine Daur U F 23 At Home Inverness-shire - Portree
MCKENZIE John Servnt U M 21 Labourer Inverness-shire - Portree
MCKENZIE Dond Servnt U M 15 Scholar Inverness-shire - Portree
MCKENZIE Jean Visitr U F 19 Servant Inverness-shire - Portree
MCLEOD William Visitr U M 18 Labourer Inverness-shire - Portree

Folio: 83 Page: 23 Schedule: 56
Address: Leach

Folio: 83 Page: 7 Schedule: 15
Address: Clachan Rasay



I figure this ED was on the Island of Raasay, which lies 4km off the mouth of Loch Portree. Raasay is abt 4km x 20km.

There is a listing of MIs at Kilmoluag graveyard at:
http://her.highland.gov.uk/hbsmrgatewayhighland/DataFiles/LibraryLinkFiles/9981.pdf
You might also check out http://her.highland.gov.uk/simplesearch.aspx


Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and look up 159300,836050 - you will have to zoom out a step or two
Here's a pic at that spot looking WSW
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2465951

Although there's nothing on the map now, a look up of 159800,837300 at
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html
This shows Gualann na Leac (Shoulder of Leac, I think) and An Leac (NB An=The).
This is an 1879 map, and there's nothing showing by then but the names.
(The grid ref is where the track turns into a path on the modern map.)
Another km to NW is Hallaig, referred to in pic caption.

The 1841 FreeCEN count for ED's 10 & 11 (i.e., Raasay) is 585.
The 1851 FreeCEN count for ED's 11 & 12 (i.e., Raasay) is 440.
So 25% of popn have left. Groome's Gazetteer say the 1861 popn is 380, so another reduction by 15%.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/180041


I didn't see any parish records for them. I wondered why, and concluded they didn't attend the CofS kirk in Portree.

The modern map shows two churches (as well as the ruined chapel) at:
155200,836100 and 155600,836300

Looking at http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NG5536/
we see the first grid ref is Raasay Free Presbyterian Church, but the building dates to 1929.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2459620

The other is Raasay Free Church / Eaglais Shaor Ratharsair
The Free Church of Scotland is the principal denomination on the island. The white harled kirk was erected around 1850, with wooden tracery in the windows and a simple bellcote on the gable.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2395533

So the dates don't help us out.


Re OS grid refs - the 1st # is the easting, the second is the northing.
a 6 digit # gives location to nearest metre. The blue grid lines on an OS map are 1km apart. Geograph uses a slightly different system - it takes, say, 159300,836050 and replaces the pair of leading digits 1xxxxx,8yyyyy by a magic pair of letters NG here, and writes it as NG5930036050 to nearest metre, or NG5936 to nearest km.

This site:

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/raasay/raasay/index.html

has history and pictures of Raasay

Many thanks