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Hello, Can anyone help? Looking for any leads on my g-grandmother.
Her name was Daisy Brooks born 16/5/1892 to George Brooks and Sarah Sell or Lell in Saffron Waldren, Essex. Eventually found a George born 1870 with the same occupation Farm Labourer but that is all. No Marriage or details on a census of them being married/together.

If anyone can help? Thank you
Alison

George is older than you thought
1901 England Census
Daisy Brooks
Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Brooks
Mother's Name: Sarah A Brooks Gender: Female Where born: Saffron Walden, Essex, England Civil parish: Saffron Walden
Ecclesiastical parish: Littlebury Holy Trinity and Saffron Walden St Mary
Town: Saffron Walden County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: Saffron Walden Sub-registration district: Saffron Walden
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 101 Piece: 1735 Folio: 13 Page Number: 17

George Brooks 58 Newport Essex
Sarah A Brooks 52 Newport Essex
John Brooks 25 Newport Essex
Charles Brooks 22
Frederick Brooks 14
Ernest Brooks 11
Daisy Brooks 8
James Reed 23

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1735; Folio: 13; Page: 17.

1871 England Census
George Brooks
Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah A Brooks
Gender: Male Where born: Newport, Essex, England
Civil parish: Newport County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: Saffron Walden Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 127 Piece: 1707
Folio: 97 Page Number: 21

George Brooks 25
Sarah A Brooks 20
William G Brooks 1

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1707; Folio: 97; Page: 21; GSU roll: 830753.

There is a wife missing from here:
Marriages Dec 1868
Brooks George Saffron W 4a 731
Reynolds Thomas Saffron W 4a 731
WESTWOOD Elizabeth Saffron Walden 4a 731

Added:
Sell Sarah Ann Saffron Walden 4a 734

It is 731 on the index, will post correction

Thank you

George Brooks was baptised at St Mary the Virgin, Newport on 28th February 1847, the son of William and Keziah Brooks. William was a labourer.

Getting confused, the census' have George born around 1843, I have found another george brooks born abt 1846 living next door to William and Keziah on the 1871 census.

Which doesn't look like it matches.

Would they loose 4 years?

I can't see another George Brooks baptised at Newport around 1843. There is a William son of William & Keziah baptised May 26th 1844.

If you get the marriage certificate it will have George's Father's name on it.
It saves confusion and speculation.
Baptism can occur several years after birth (but not before)
George's birth years in the censuses from 1851 to 1901 range from 1843 (so could be 1842) to 1847.

In the 1851 census his age is given as 4 which is probably the most accurate and ties in well with the above baptism date.

Unfortunately SEAX haven't yet digitised the baptisms for Newport beyond 1848 nor the Marriages beyond 1837. If they had the marriage data then you could get the same information that is on a certificate for £5, (plus access to all the other Essex Parish data for a day).

Hello, I have since spoken to my Grandfather to see if he remembers anything from what my nan would have spoken of.

And can confirm the Daisy at 18yrs living with Albert Brooks on the 1911 Census was her brother. G'dad said there was talk of a relative being a head porter at St Thomas'Hospital which goes with this Albert.
This Albert is also on the records as the son of George so you are right.
So, I'll look into William and Kezia.

Where do I get the marriage information for £5? I thought the only way was to apply for copy M/Certificate which costs more then £5.

Thank you again.

You cant buy any cert for £5 the best place it to get it from www.gro.gov.uk costs £9.25 each,

Some local registers offices will also supply at about the same price but the GRO ref isnt any use to them as its the GRO,s own record only

The marriage data for Newport post 1837 is not yet on line at SEAX. When it is you will be able to see the parish records for church marriages in Newport for a subscription to SEAX (which is run by the Essex Record Office). A day's subscription costs £5. The information on the parish record (post 1837) is just the same as the marriage data on a certificate.

It looks like William Brooks and Kezia Smith were married in the third quarter of 1837 in the Saffron Walden district.

KenSe, sorry but what does SEAX stand for?

Thank you again for your help

On your other thread someone posted the 1911 & i posted the 1881 & both of them have Albert on there so you could see that it was her brother that Daisy was with

& Albert on the 1881 was with his Dad George

I don't think SEAX stands for anything exactly, just something like Search Essex Archives.

The site is accessed by thie link below and you need to register with them. You can search the site for free but have to subscribe to view the records that they have online.


http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/default.aspfor anything,

The following information obtained from the Parish Record images. PM also sent to Alison.

Marriages

Entry No.2 in the new format Parish Register of Newport Essex
30th July 1837
William Brooks of full age Bachelor labourer of Newport, father William Brooks deceased labourer.
Keziah Smith of full age Spinster of Newport, father James Smith labourer
According to the Rites of the Established Church by Banns
William and Keziah both put their mark as signature
Witnesses David Brooks and Sarah Goodwin
Vicar E Gould Monk

Entry 159
4th October 1868
George Brooks 22 Bachelor Labourer of Newport, father William Brooks labourer
Sarah Ann Sell 17 Spinster of Newport, father Samuel Sell labourer
According to the Rites of the Established Church
George made his mark but Sarah signed
Witnesses Thomas Sell (mark) Mahala Frances (signed)
Vicar John Chapman

Baptisms for children of Samuel & Sarah Sell (in all cases Samuel is a labourer of Newport)
13 Jul 1845 George
25 Feb 1849 Moses
29 Jun 1851 Sarah Ann
25 Dec 1853 Emma
18 Jul 1858 Moses
06 Jan 1861 Lucy
16 Dec 1866 Matilda

Baptisms for children of William & Keziah Brooks (in all cases except one, William is a labourer of Newport)
29 Jul 1839 John,
17 Jul 1841 Susan
26 May 1844 William
28 Feb 1847 George
06 Jun 1852 Martha
10 May 1857 Eliza (William's address given as Wendon)
Possibly also Sarah on 8 Jun 1851