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Hi all, Would anyone please be able to help me find the birth of Albert Arthur born I believe 1855 or 65 in Portsmouth. I have found him on the 1891 census but nothing before that. I think that sometimes he called himself arthur dart. His partner in 1891 was jessie but I dont think they married. any help would be grateful.I have all his childrens names, but am looking for his parents.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Ann

For Reference:

1891 census

Name: Albert Arthur
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jessie Arthur
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 855
Folio: 13
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Arthur 36
Jessie Arthur 30 - born Portsmouth c1861
Archibald Arthur 10
Albert H Arthur 8
Flora A Arthur 5
Walter J Arthur 3

Could this be Archibald - first son shown on the 1891 census:

1901 census:
Name: Archibald Arthurs
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Hound
Ecclesiastical parish: Hound St Edward or St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Victoria Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1064
Folio: 121
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Arthurs 19

Occupation shown as a Private - Soldier

This looks like Albert Arthur - 2nd son shown on the 1891 census:

1901 census
Name: Albert Arthur
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Soldiers In Barrach Rooms (Soldier)
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: Army Service Corps Barracks and Cambridge Cottages
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 569
Folio: 13
Page Number: 20

????

Births Mar 1853
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Dart Albert Arthur Portsea 2b 362


That one appears to have married, but not to a Jessie:

Marriages Dec 1874
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BUCKETT Sarah Emma Portsea 2b 789
Dart Albert Arthur Portsea 2b 789
Mortimer Mary Jane A Portsea 2b 789
White Charles Portsea 2b 789

Thank you for your time Lynne, but I already have this info, it is archibalds dads birth (albert) and his parents I am looking for.Thanks anyway.
Ann

Thank you Kucinta, I think this is what I am looking for (hopefully) but does it not give his parents names?
Ann

No, you'd need to buy the birth cert for that.

IGI has it:

1. ALBERT ARTHUR DART - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 26 FEB 1853

2. ALBERT ARTHUR DART - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAR 1853 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England


Parents Samuel Dart and Lavinia, Albert born 26th Feb 1853, christened 20 March 1853 as above.

Samuel John Dart married Lavinia Hill

02 JAN 1850 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England

IGI extracted record, as was the birth/baptism I posted above.

Thank you so much, Kucinta.
Much appreciated,
Ann

Possible marriage for Samuel and Lavinia:

Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)
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Bull James Portsea 7 159
Congdon Samuel Portsea Island 7 159
Cummings John Richard Portsea 7 159
Dart Samuel John Portsea I. 7 159 *********
Hill Lavinia Portsea I. 7 159 ***************
Hill Louisa Portsea I. 7 159
Pugh Caroline Portsea I 7 159
Purches Elizabeth Portsea I 7 159
Sparks Eleanor Portsea I 7 159

Could this be Albert in the 1871 census:

Name: Albert A Dart
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son-in-Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 1127
Folio: 147
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Toynton 29
Lavinia Toynton 40
Albert A Dart 17
George G Dart 15
Ann Loura Dart 11
Frederick H Dart 9

Could be that Albert's mother married twice!!!!!!!

Possible birth:
Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Dart Albert Arthur Portsea 2b 362

Possible marriage:
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
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BUCKETT Sarah Emma Portsea 2b 789
>>>>>>> Dart Albert Arthur Portsea 2b 789
Mortimer Mary Jane A Portsea 2b 789
White Charles Portsea 2b 789


Possible death:
Deaths Jun 1934 (>99%)
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Dart Albert A 81 Portsmouth 2b 637

Yes, she did marry twice!!!!


Marriages Dec 1866
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>>>DART Lavinia Guildford 2a 120
MOODY James Guildford 2a 120
>>>TOYNTON William Guildford 2a 120
Wells Sarah Guildford 2a 120

if Albert Arthur did marry in 1874, as I posted near the beginning of the thread, it might account for why he didn't marry Jessie.

Taken from ancestry trees:

Albert Arthur Dart married Sarah Emma Buckett in Oct qtr 1874, and had three children;

Amerlia M E Dart c1879
Ada Flora Dart c1881
Annie Dart c1887

His father is shown as Samuel S Dart and his mother as Lavinia !!

I think "Jessie" is Jessie Maria Penny-who also seems to be married:
Marriages Dec 1875
PENNY Jessie Maria Portsea 2b 888
WARNER William Portsea 2b 888
WEST Emily Portsea I. 2b 888
WINSTENLEY Walter Portsea 2b 888

1871 census transcription details for: Commercial Road, Portsea, Portsmouth
RG number: RG10 Piece: 1128 Folio: 145 Page: 31

Reg. District: Portsea Island Sub District: Kingston
PENNY, James R Head M 46 1825 Hampshire
PENNY, Mary A Wife F 36 1835 Sussex
PENNY, Mary Alice Daughter F 14 1857 Hampshire
PENNY, Jessie M Daughter F 12 1859 Hampshire
PENNY, Flora A Daughter F 9 1862 Hampshire


1881 census transcription details for: 130, Upper Staunton St, Portsea
RG number: RG11 Piece: 1143 Folio: 14 Page: 26

Reg. District: Portsea Island Sub District: Kingston
SMITH, George H Head Married M 22 1859 Boiler Maker
Portsmouth
Hampshire
SMITH, Sarah J Wife Married F 21 1860
Portsmouth
Hampshire
ARTHUR, Jessie Wife Married F 22 1859 Printers Wife
Portsmouth
Hampshire
PENNY, Flora Boarder Single F 18 1863 Laundress (Ws)
Portsmouth
Hampshire


1911 census transcription details for: 58 Queens Road Buckland Portsmouth
RG14PN5492 RG78PN251 RD90 SD1 ED14 SN32

Reg. District: Portsmouth Sub District: North End and Buckland
DART, Albert Arthur Head Married
33 years M 58 1853 Printer Hants Portsmouth
DART, Jessie Maria Wife Married F 53 1858 Hants Portsmouth
DART, Alfred Harry Son Single M 20 1891 Printer Hants Portsmouth
DART, Alec Harold Son Single M 17 1894 Printer Hants Portsmouth
DART, Minnie May Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Hants Portsmouth


Maureen

A BIG THANK YOU to all you peeps for the wonderful help.You guys never let me down. Lots of skeletons in my cupboard I think haha.
Ann