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Can anyone tell me what a Journeyman Baker was?

I understand the Baker. It was the occupation given for my g-grandad.

Also I am trying to trace his mother but she only shows up on the 1881 Census as the Head. Cannont trace her Birth, marriage etc details.

Her name was Jemmina Oldrey born 1831 in Beer, Devon - if anyone can help? Oldrey was her married name.

Alison

A journeyman is someone who has completed an apprenticeship and is fully educated in a trade or craft, but not yet a master.

1871 census:

William Oldery 77 grocer born Brent, Devon
Jemima Oldery 40 wife
Jane Oldery 3
William Oldery 7 Months
Charlotte Baker 81 unmarried Lodger


Marriage on freebmd:


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Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
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Oldery William Honiton 5b 64
Small Jemima Honiton 5b 64

It was a second marriage for William. Here he is in 1861:
Name: William Oldrey
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Oldrey
Gender: Male
Where born: Diptford, Devon, England

Civil parish: Sidbury
County/Island: Devon

Registration district: Honiton
Sub-registration district: Ottery St Mary
Piece: 1379
Folio: 52
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
William Oldrey 67
Sarah Oldrey 69
Sarah B Payne 28
Charlotte Baker 71

1851?

Name: Semimer Small
[Jemimer Small]
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Lodger
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Beer, Devon, England

Civil parish: Seaton and Beer
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image

Registration district: Axminster
Sub-registration district: Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 1862
Folio: 695
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sandom 46
Anne Sandom 40
William Sandom 21
Sarah Sandom 19
Thomas Sandom 15
Robert Sandom 9
Semimer Small 20 Maker of Pillowlace

This looks like Jemima's christening from the IGI (you won't find a birth reference as she was born before 1837):-

JEMIMA SMALL
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
13 FEB 1831 Seaton And Beer, Devon, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN SMALL
Mother: FANNY

Kath. x

1841?

Name: Jemima Smale
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Devon, England

Civil parish: Seaton
Hundred: Colyton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Axminster
Sub-registration district: Colyton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 214
Book: 17
Folio: 14
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Job Smale 40
Fanny Smale 40
Samuel Smale 12
Jemima Smale 10
May Smale 8
John Smale 5
William Smale 2

1841

Name: Jemima Small
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Devon, England

Civil parish: Thurlestone
Hundred: Stanborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Kingsbridge
Sub-registration district: West Alvington
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 248
Book: 10
Folio: 10
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
William Small 30 Coast Guard
Mary Small 50 <<< more like 30 on image
Jemima Small 7
Mary Small 4
William Small 2

FMP transcription -

1841

>>>SMALL, Jemima F 10 1831 Devon VIEW
SMALL, Mary F 8 1833 Devon VIEW
SMALL, John M 5 1836 Devon VIEW
SMALL, William M 2 1839 Devon VIEW
HOLLY, William M 45 1796 Devon VIEW
PERRY, Elizabeth F 45 1796 Devon VIEW
PERRY, Hannah F 25 1816 Devon VIEW

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Piece:
214 Book/Folio:
14 Page:
23 Registration District:
Axminster Union

Civil Parish:
Seaton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Stockham, Seaton, Beer County:
Devonshire


mis-transcribed as two separate households -

SMALL, John M 40 1801 Devon VIEW
SMALL, Fanny F 40 1801 Devon VIEW
SMALL, Sarah F 12 1829 Devon VIEW

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Piece:
214 Book/Folio:
14 Page:
22 Registration District:
Axminster Union

Civil Parish:
Seaton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Rocks, Seaton, Beer County:

This is Jemima's parents in the 1841 census. Findmypast has mixed up two families and Jemima is transcribed with another family:-

SMALL, John M 40 1801 Devon
SMALL, Fanny F 40 1801 Devon
SMALL, Sarah F 12 1829 Devon

Address:
Rocks, Seaton, Beer

This is the rest of the family (with some others transcribed together):-

SMALL, Jemima F 10 1831 Devon
SMALL, Mary F 8 1833 Devon
SMALL, John M 5 1836 Devon
SMALL, William M 2 1839 Devon
HOLLY, William M 45 1796 Devon
PERRY, Elizabeth F 45 1796 Devon
PERRY, Hannah F 25 1816 Devon

Address:
Stockham, Seaton, Beer

Kath. x

Wow, thank you all so much.

Alison

Can you help again?

Looking at the details of Jemima & William they had a son William and daughter Jane.
The son William married a Sarah Jane Small born 1899 -1947.
I hope it is a coincedence that his wife and Sister were known by the same name and born around the same time and the same surname.

If your able to, can you help me out with Sarah Jane Small!

What makes this more interesting is I have a copy of a photo of William, Sarah and family. You want to bring them alive to talk to.

A journeyman of any description is one who was paid by the day - from the French for day as in Le Jour or La Journee-jl

Here is the family in 1911:

OLDREY, William Head Married19 years M 40 1871 Journeyman Baker Sidbury Devon
OLDREY, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 45 1866 Ottery St Mary Devon
OLDREY, William Sydney Landford Son Single M 17 1894 Carpenter Sidbury Devon
OLDREY, Daisy Jane Daughter Single F 16 1895 General Servant Domestic Sidbury Devon
OLDREY, Garnett Son Single M 13 1898 Errand Boy Sidbury Devon
OLDREY, Horace Wilfred Son Single M 11 1900 School Colyton Devon OLDREY, Nellie Gertrude Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Sidmouth Devon
OLDREY, Ethel Maud Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Sidmouth Devon

This would give a marriage in 1892, but if you look on freebmd this is the marriage you will find for William:

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)

Oldrey William Honiton 5b 68
Sandford Jane Honiton 5b 68

In 1901 it's Jane, not Sarah Jane:

OLDREY, William Head Married M 30 1871 BakerSidbury
OLDREY, Jane Wife Married F 35 1866 Ottery St Mary
OLDREY, William S Son Single M 7 1894 Sidbury
OLDREY, Daisy J Daughter Single F 5 1896 Sidbury

OLDREY, Garnet Son Single M 3 1898 Sidbury
OLDREY, Horace W Son Single M 1 1900 Colyton


Here is Sarah Jane's birth:

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)

SANDFORD Sarah Jane Honiton 5b 36

Why did you think William had married a Sarah Jane Small?

Sarah Jane with family in 1871:

SANDFORD, Richard Head M 40 1831 Ag. Labourer Devon Woodbury
SANDFORD, Sarah Wife F 40 1831 Lacemaker Devon, Clist Hydon
SANDFORD, John Son M 16 1855 Ag. Labourer Devon Ottery St Mary
SANDFORD, Hannah Daughter F 15 1856 Scholar Devon
Ottery St Mary
SANDFORD, Samuel Son M 12 1859 Scholar Devon
Ottery St Mary
SANDFORD, Jane Daughter F 9 1862 Scholar Devon Ottery St Mary SANDFORD, William Son M 6 1865 Scholar Devon Ottery St Mary SANDFORD, Charles Son M 3 1868 Scholar Devon Ottery St Mary

I think I've got a bit confused.

Thank you for your help, makes sense now.

Alison

Not confused, just found original notes I took from my Nan, and have Sarah as a Small.

Also found a few other details that don't match either.

At least I'm not going mad.
alison