Genealogy Chat

Sharon - Every birth (and death) was supposed to be registered, but under the 1836 Act. it was required that the registrar inform himself of those births and deaths (Sect 18). The parents (and other qualified informants) *** may *** give notice of such events (Sect 19), and *** shall *** give information, upon being requested so to do, to the said Registrar (Sect 20).

This was altered by the 1874 Act (effective 1/1/1875) so that it became the *** duty *** of parents, etc., to inform the registrar, with a fine not exceeding 40s for failure to do so.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1836Act.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1874Act.htm

If he was born 1855/56 he was not the son of John Girling anyway. as he had been convicted of bigamy served his time and left by then?

Thing is, if son was born soon after she married Girling, I doubt she was aware he was a bigamist, so naturally you'd register him in his fathers name, wouldnt you? If you registered him at all.

It wasn't until 1870's that it became punishable not to register a birth

It seems they had most of their children baptised

Robert James Bye 23 Aug 1835 James Bye,
Hannah Bye Enfield Jesus Chapel Enfield
View Record

Emily Ann Bye 15 Dec 1839 James Bye,
Hannah Bye Bloomsbury St George Camden
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Alexander John Bye 24 Feb 1844 James Bye,
Hannah Bye St Pancras Camden
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George Bye 24 Feb 1844 James Bye,
Hannah Bye St Pancras Camden
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Susannah Bye 22 Sep 1845 James Bye,
Hannah Bye Saffron Hill Camden
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Frances Bye 22 Jul 1849 James Bye,
Hannah Bye Enfield St Andrew Enfield

Thanks Jax.
Short of buying every male birth cert for 1855/6 born in Middx it's a bit of a brick wall!!

Oh well, I suppose if it was easy it would be boring!!

I have been looking but cannot see anything either

There was a William Francis Bye but he had parents so not him

Will keep looking though

jax

Thanks Ladies!!
You've confused me Shirley - I thought ALL births had to be registered from 1837!!
Jax - You are kind offering to help but you'll end up tearing your hair out with this one!!
1861 Census Holborn St George the Martyr, Middx)
Hannah Bye b1813 (North Weald, Essex)
Anna Bye b 1840
George Bye b 1842 ( St Pancras, Middx)
Harriet Elizabeth Bye b 1847 (Cheshunt,Herts)
**Francis Bye** b 1856 (Bernaid Street)
(Her Bigamist hubby was called John Girling)

Hannah died in 1866 under the surname Girling!!

I think I found Francis in the 1871 Census, living with his sister Harriet (who is now married to Edward Jones)
He is listed as Francis Jones, but the age & birth place (Bernard Street is in Bloomsbury) are the same as Francis Bye. They are living in St Pancras, Middx.

After that I can find no trace of The Jones family or Francis.
Poor Francis - all these different surnames!!
As I said earlier there are no births for a Francis Bye or Girling in 1855/56 so I'm guessing that was his middle name.
If you want to have look & see if you can dig anything up well good luck!! :-
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Thanks for taking the time , really appreciate it
Sharon

Thanks Ladies!!
You've confused me Shirley - I thought ALL births had to be registered from 1837!!
Jax - You are kind offering to help but you'll end up tearing your hair out with this one!!
1861 Census Holborn St George the Martyr, Middx)
Hannah Bye b1813 (North Weald, Essex)
Anna Bye b 1840
George Bye b 1842 ( St Pancras, Middx)
Harriet Elizabeth Bye b 1847 (Cheshunt,Herts)
**Francis Bye** b 1856 (Bernaid Street)
(Her Bigamist hubby was called John Girling)

Hannah died in 1866 under the surname Girling!!

I think I found Francis in the 1871 Census, living with his sister Harriet (who is now married to Edward Jones)
He is listed as Francis Jones, but the age & birth place (Bernard Street is in Bloomsbury) are the same as Francis Bye. They are living in St Pancras, Middx.

After that I can find no trace of The Jones family or Francis.
Poor Francis - all these different surnames!!
As I said earlier there are no births for a Francis Bye or Girling in 1855/56 so I'm guessing that was his middle name.
If you want to have look & see if you can dig anything up well good luck!! :-
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Thanks for taking the time , really appreciate it
Sharon

Well born in the 1850,s his birth may not have been registered so as she was never legally married it looks like she returned back to her previous name and gave her son the same surname too. He would have been brought up, I would guess in that name, rather than the bigamists name. Unfortunately as there was no legal marrige then the poor little chap would have been classified as illegitimate I think

They could register in whatever name they fancied really, no one was going to check.

Do you want to give some names then we can have a look. If he was 5 in 1861 he would have been born approx 1856 so surely he was nothing to do with him anyway?

Also it was not compulsary to register before 1875 so you may not find a birth for him

jax

Hi all,
Hope some one can help!!

I have found out that my 3x G Gran married a right charmer in 1853!! She was a widow but it turns out he had a wife elsewhere - the rat!! :-) Plus another partner who he had 4 children with!
He stood trial for bigamy in Dec 1853 & he got 3 months prison for his trouble & on coming out of prison went back to the woman he had children with.(who lived 2 streets from my G Gran)
In the 1861 Census Hannah (my G gran) is using her married name from her 1st marriage & is living with her 3 children from her 1st marriage and another child aged 5 years which is down as her son- but he also has the surname from her 1st marriage. (Her 1st husband died in 1849).

I wondered, if he was the bigamists child & as the marriage is not legal would he have to be registered under her first marriage name or could it be under his real fathers name ? ( I haven't been able to find his birth with either as the name on the census must be a middle name :-( )
If anyone knows how these things were done back then I can at least concentrate on one surname!!
Thanks you little brain boxes!!

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