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You may have to put it down to phonetics, especially if they couldn't read/write to check what had been recorded.

For instance, one of my Kentish lot had the surname recorded by different Registrars/Clergy as

Fairbeard
Farebiard
Farebeard

You have to say it to see the problem :-0

Jax> That isn't a first marriage that Eliza is Elizabeths sister and she married Thomas Leonard as patchem said.

Patchem> Yes there could esily be another child, there could be more of them that died and without certificates we cannot tell those.

MissBatman> After Isaac's death she did marry again to the forementioned John Young and had a couple of kids. Thanks for the 1871 census clue however it doesn't help with the Stack/Stagg query annoyingly.

Regards

Rhys

Maybe the Young Collins marriage???

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>>Collings Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 502
Edwards Thomas Cardiff 11a 502
Griffiths Rebecca Cardiff 11a 502
>>>>>>>>>>>Young John Cardiff 11a 502

So Eliza married John Young;

1891 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Young Name: Elizabeth Young
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Young
Gender: Female
Where born: Llantarnam, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4398
Folio: 30
Page Number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
John Young 46
Elizabeth Young 43
Annie Collins 16
John Collins 15
Fred Collins 11
Elizabeth Young 3
James Young 2


Looks like Eliza prior to meeting Isaac;

1871 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Stack Name: Elizabeth Stack
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Llantarnam
Civil parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Woollos
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 5343
Folio: 70
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
William Prothero 35
Rachel Prothero 30
Sarah Jane Prothero 14
Kate Prothero 7 Months
Elizabeth Stack 24
Elizabeth Dyer 11

Jax,
I think that Eliza Ann marries Thomas Leonard and shows in all the censuses in 1871 to 1901.

These could be the Elizabeth and Eliza in 1851:
Elizabeth Stagg
Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Mark Stagg Mother's name: Mary Stagg
Gender: Female Where born: Lanton, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llantarnam County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales Registration district: Newport Sub-registration district: St Woollos
ED, institution, or vessel: 14b Piece: 2453 Folio: 253 Page Number: 26 Household schedule number: 96
Mark Stagg 38
Mary Stagg 28
xxx Elisa Stagg 5
xxx Elizabeth Stagg 4
Mary Maria Stagg 2
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2453; Folio: 253; Page: 26; GSU roll: 104194.

meefy,
As you have not got the 1871, you do not know that Ada is the oldest child, as one born before 1871 could have died or be living with grandparents or even a servant in 1881.

Could this be a first marriage??

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
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Humphrey David Newport, M. 11a 304
JONES Elizabeth Newport, M. 11a 304
Leonard Thomas Newport M 11a 304
STAGG Eliza Ann Newport M. 11a 304

So this could be her birth:
Births Mar 1847
STAG Elizabeth Newport M 26 135

After looking through all the messages in my inbox, I have found out where I got Stagg from. Someone has gotten the forementioned Ada Collins' birth certificate and on it it states Stagg as the mothers maiden name.

However this still doesn't explain why others have Stack down and why there doesn't seem to be a marriage listed anywhere.

Might be worth checking this one out on the 1861, the age is a little out but it could be a first marriage...

1861 Wales Census
about Isaac Collens Name: Isaac Collens
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Collens
Gender: Male
Where born: Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Narberth
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Narberth
Sub-registration district: Narberth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4149
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Collens 27 (Collins on image I reckon)
Mary Collens 29
Mary Ann Collens 3
Margaret Collens 1

Isaac here is a 'fellmonger' which is not far out from slaughterman..

EDIT I can't find a match for this one on 1871 either.

ReEDIT...probably not as there is another Isaac in 1851 that matches up with this...not yours.

1871 is the one census I cannot find him anywhere and I've looked for his future wife under both surnames in case they were not married then. Looks like its gonna have to be a certificate.

You need the birth certificate of any of the children to confirm maiden name.

Births Mar 1873
Collins Ada Newport, M. 11a 212

Have you found him in 1871 to see if already married ?

Just for ref while I look

1881 Wales Census
about Ada Collins Name: Ada Collins
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac Collins
Mother's name: Eliza Collins
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport

Civil parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 52 Llandaff Rd
Education: View image
Employment status: View image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 26a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5282
Folio: 97
Page Number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Collins 42
Eliza Collins 35
Ada Collins 8
Ann Collins 6
John Collins 5
Sarah Collins 4
Fred. W. Collins 1

Its been a while since I did any work on this part of the tree and I have his wife down as an Elizabeth or Eliza Stagg. However whenever I get links to other peoples trees they seem to have it down as an Elizabeth or Eliza Stack and this has created doubt in my mind especially as I can't find information to confirm either.

Their first child Ada was born in Newport in 1873, so its some time before then. Isaac was born in c1841 in Haroldston, Haverfordwest and Eliza was born in the Newport area c1847.

I have no idea where I got the Stagg from and I cannot find a Stack either to refute what I have in my tree. Can anyone help me out?

Rhys