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Thankyou muchly Safc, that fathers name is invaluable. Looks like another one born out of wedlock so knowing the father is surprising. Im going to order that birth cert now Helen and keep everything crossed that she's mine. x

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Name: Thomas Ball
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jul 1843
Event Place: Duffield, Duffield, Derbyshire, England
Gender: Male
Age:
Marital Status: Single
Estimated Birth Year:
Father: Thomas Ball
Mother:
Spouse: Elizabeth Smith
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year:
Spouse's Father: Joseph Allcock
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 1041432
Digital Folder Number: 004451968
Image Number: 00052

Thomas is with Elizabeth in 1841, no Maria there but hes married to Elizabeth so maybe not my people. I thought they were, as it explained not finding an Elizabeth & Maria Smith in 1841, 1851 or 61. Is the baptism from IGI? Thanks Choccy, much appreciated. x

EDIT: I need my eyes (or head) looking at, its Thomas father I saw in 1841 with bachelor Thomas as son. Thomas' mother is also Elizabeth so it confused me. My people then!!!!

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County Derbyshire
Place Cromford
Church Wesleyan
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 17 Jul 1841
BaptismDate 17 Feb 1842
Forename Maria
Sex F
FatherForename
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname
MotherSurname SMITH
Abode South Wingfield
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 20771

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Thats my lot in 1871 definately thanks, Maria had a son out of wedlock who used the surnames Colledge and Smith.

1871

COLLEDGE, William Head M 28 1843 Derbyshire VIEW
COLLEDGE, Maria Wife F 29 1842 Derbyshire VIEW (born S Winfield)
COLLEDGE, Charles Son M 9 1862 Derbyshire VIEW
COLLEDGE, William Son M 8 1863 Derbyshire VIEW
COLLEDGE, Thomas Son M 6 1865 Derbyshire VIEW
COLLEDGE, Isaiah Son M 0 1871 Derbyshire VIEW

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Piece:
3608 Folio:
55 Page:
20 Registration District:
Chesterfield

Civil Parish:
Wessington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Caudwell Houses, Wessington County:
Derbyshire

Thanks Choccy, it could be my Maria's mum hopefully.

same family in 1851


1851

BALL, Thomas Head Married M 36 1815 Framework Knitter Cotton
Lenton
Nottinghamshire VIEW
>>>BALL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 33 1818 Framework Knitter Cotton
Southwingfield
Derbyshire VIEW
>>>BALL, Maria Daughter F 9 1842
Southwingfield
Derbyshire VIEW
BALL, Sarah Daughter F 6 1845
Southwingfield
Derbyshire VIEW
BALL, Thomas Son M 5 1846
Crich
Derbyshire VIEW
BALL, Mary Daughter F 2 1849
Southwingfield
Derbyshire VIEW
BALL, Henry Son M 0 (2 MOS) 1851
Southwingfield
Derbyshire VIEW

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Piece:
2145 Folio:
311 Page:
20 Registration District:
Belper

Civil Parish:
South Wingfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
South Wingfield County:
Derbyshire

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1861

BALL, Thomas Head Married M 46 1815 Framework Knitter
Lenton
Nottinghamshire VIEW
>>>>BALL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 42 1819 House Work
Derby South Wingfield VIEW
>>>>BALL, Maria Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 Framework Knitter
Derby South Wingfield VIEW (AGE 19 ON ORIGINAL)
BALL, Thomas Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Framework Knitter
Derby Crich VIEW
BALL, Henry Son M 10 1851 Scholar
Derby South Wingfield VIEW
BALL, William Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Derby Crich VIEW
BALL, Emma Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar
Derby Crich VIEW

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Piece:
2525 Folio:
76 Page:
3 Registration District:
Chesterfield

Civil Parish:
Brackenfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
Mather Grave, Brackenfield County:
Derbyshire




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Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
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BACON Mary Belper 19 314
>>>>BALL Thomas Belper 19 314
FLETCHER John Belper 19 314
KENT Elizabeth Belper 19 314
MARSON Hannah Belper 19 314
>>>>SMITH Elizabeth Belper 19 314
SOWRAY Matthew Ellis Belper 19 314
TURTON William Belper 19 314

If anyone has spare time it would be appreciated, Im going round in circles. My ancestor Maria Smith was born 1841 in Wessington, Derbyshire according to the census. On her 1862 marriage cert to William Colledge she has no father named, suggesting she was illigitimate. I can't find Maria in 1841/51/61. There is a possible baptism in 1842 to single mother Elizabeth Smith but this is from IGI and Smith is a popular name to say the least. I can't find Elizabeth & Maria together anywhere. I do have Maria and her husband in 1871/81/1901.