Genealogy Chat

Thank you again for all your help and time. What would we novices do with out you.
Best regards
Pat

Yes, that's how I see it

Wow ...you certainly work hard and fast. Thank you soooo much.
So Annie was on the 1911 census as Franklin but birth reg as Turner making her illegitimate and why I couldnt find her birth as Annie Franklin.
Have I got that right? Sorry to be a bit dumb LOL

Mmmm

Looking again at the image, there are various crossings-out, and Elsie may, in fact, have been 11 months old............

Yes, she must be

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
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FRANKLIN Elsie May Barnet 3a 443

So Annie was the only illegitimate one

1901

Name: James Franklin
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Franklin
Mother's Name: Fanny Franklin
Gender: Male
Where born: Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Friern Barnet
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 289
Piece: 1236
Folio: 124
Page Number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
James Franklin 50
Fanny Franklin 53
Jessie Franklin 28
James Franklin 20
Lizzie Franklin 16
Floria Franklin 1


Going to re-check the 1911 image...bear with me

1891

Name: Beatrice E Turner
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Geo Wm Turner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A Turner
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Walthamstow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1353
Folio: 61
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Geo Wm Turner 30
Elizabeth A Turner 28
Edith Kate Turner 10
Beatrice E Turner 8
A W Turner 3
Florence M Turner 2

1901

Name: Beatrice Turner
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Turner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Turner
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Finchley
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:


Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 223
Piece: 1233
Folio: 154
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
George Turner 41
Elizabeth Turner 37
Edith Turner 20
Beatrice Turner 18
Alfred Turner 16
Florrie Turner 12
Lily Turner 10
Willie Turner 8
George Turner 2
Alfred Turner 2



Not sure where Elsie comes in, unless she was James's child from a previous marriage, and the wife didn't die until 1904/5

She doesn't appear to have been Beatrice's child

Just seen latest reply and census. Looks like that could be the one.
On Annies marriage to Denis Paybody in 1925 it states that her future husband was living in New Southgate, although Annies address is given as Frien Barnet at the time of the marriage.
I Will use the correct board next time. :-\

Probable further children on freebmd...I'll let you find them

The legitimate children

Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
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Franklin Sydney James Barnet 3a 412

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Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
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Franklin Beatrice Elizabeth Barnet 3a 406

Well, I've found it all for you I think

And your original message made her two years older, which caused a problem initially

Thank you for your reply.
I did try Annie Franklin on free bmd but there are to many and do not give fathers name.
I thought if I looked for her father , James Franklin in the 1911 census with daughter Annie aged appx 8yrs old I could narrow it down that way.
Thank you for your help

Can't find any record of the supposed 'marriage'.........

This one is possibly theirs


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Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Drackett Sarah Elizabeth Barnet 3a 431
FRANKLIN James Barnet 3a 431
GRIFFIS George Barnet 3a 431
TURNER Beatrice Barnet 3a 431


And this would be Annie's birth

Births Jun 1903 (>99%)
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TURNER Annie Barnet 3a 389

I thought he was being too forthcoming on the census........lying about the marriage to cover up illegitimacy

1911 census - household transcription
Person: FRANKLIN, Annie
Address: 57 High Road New Southgate


FRANKLIN, Elsie M Daughter F 11 1900 School New Southgate VIEW
FRANKLIN, Beatrice E Daughter F 3 1908 New Southgate VIEW
FRANKLIN, Sidney J Son M 5 1906 New Southgate VIEW
FRANKLIN, Annie Daughter F 7 1904 New Southgate VIEW
FRANKLIN, Beatrice E Wife Married F 29 1882 Richmond Surrey VIEW
FRANKLIN, James Head Married
11 years M 33 1878 Labourer General Biggleswade Beds VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7405 Reference:
RG14PN7405 RG78PN357 RD132 SD5 ED55 SN23

Very helpful chap...says he married 19 March 1900

If you ask for lookups in future, please use the Find Ancestors board. Thank you

Is this her death?

Name: Annie Paybody
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1903
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1982
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 13
Page: 0618

To enable an informed search to be made, you need to find the girl's birth on freebmd

Would any one do a census look up 1911

Father James Franklin.Occupation Gen Lab

Daughter Annie Franklin DOB 1901c
Married Barnet 1925 to Denis Paybody

This is the only info I have on this family.

Thank you