Genealogy Chat

I'm really not sure anymore. I don't think it would be Brighton as - if we are correct - the ancestors were around in London at that time although we can't even find a marriage for her father, if he is the right one too.

I think I'll leave it alone for a while and maybe go looking later on. Have lots of other things to do.

Once again many thanks for everyone's help in this.

Phyll

I am wondering if the initial birth place of Brixton has always been wrong and should always have been Brighton.

My g/g/g/grandfather came from Southwark, but due to how he pronounced it on one census it was put down as Southwick. And this for some time caused me real problems until I thought about how our ancestors spoke. c.1840/50 many Londoners would have actually pronounced Southwark as Sothak (phonetically written) thus causing much confusion.

And as an aside you are lucky you only have a 5 year age gap. The above bloke married a woman whose age varied by as much as 11 years. It turns out she was about 7 years older than him and did not stick to her real age until after he had died!!! :-)

Phyll,

If you can find her in the 1911 census, it might tell you more about where/when she was born.

Rose

Thank you Rose. The main thing we are trying to find is Alice's birth certiificate or even the correct year. I am going off line now so will have another look tomorrow.

Phyll

Phyll,

Looking at the Poole/Andrews birth they have to be in Eastbourne in 1911.

If you get this birth cert, the address might help you find them in 1911.

Births Dec 1911
Poole Male Andrews Eastbourne 2b 127

Rose

PS to my last update: Thomas Poole was a Baker - Journeyman

Chris

Yes that is the correct Thomas. He married Alice in 1905 and was killed in first world war. There is also the possibility that she kept changing her name around, i.e. on her son's birth cert she is down as May. Please don't spend too much time on this, it is great of you to help but I wouldn't want to stop you doing your own thing.

Many thanks

Phyll

Yes, so on 1911 there should be another Thomas and Alice...any idea of occupation for Thomas on the Marriage Cert.?...

(is this the Thomas, for age reference?)


1901

POOLE, Charles Head Married M 54 1847 Navvy (Road Making)
Burnham
Buckinghamshire
POOLE, Sophia Wife Married F 54 1847 Laundress
Chalvey
Buckinghamshire
POOLE, Thomas Son Single M 14 1887 Grocer's Errand Boy
Polegate
Sussex
POOLE, Mary Daughter Single F 12 1889
Willingdon
Sussex
Piece:
884 Folio:
99 Page:
33 Registration District:
Eastbourne
Civil Parish:
Eastbourne Municipal Borough:
Address:
10, Vine Square, Eastbourne County:
Sussex


Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
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POOLE Thomas Hailsham 2b 99

Chris :)

Thanks but this is not right. I said in a message above we have certificates including her death in Eastbourne. Even on this it would seem her age is wrong.

Death 1941 POOLE Alice Jane Ellen 59 years

(saw the above on below link, also 1904 Marriage posted above)


http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/index.htm

Chris :)

Thanks one and all for your help. I don't think this is them in Ryde, IOW . It maybe but don't think so. We know they were in Eastbourne in 1905 so it could be possible that they were in Ryde. Why would it show their births as being Ryde if she was born in Brixton and he was born in Polegate, Sussex.

Alice's father is shown as deceased on marriage cert. I would say to you all, please don't waste as much time on this as we have over the past couple of months. We seem to be going round in circles all the time. Once again many thanks

Phyll

There is also this set of marriages

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Bartlett Gertrude Minnie I. Wight 2b 1378
Fry Alfred Charles I. Wight 2b 1378
>>>>Lacey Alice Jane E I. Wight 2b 1378
>>>>Poole Thomas I. Wight 2b 1378

may account for 1911


Andy

Is this her marriage please?

Marriages Mar 1905
ANDREWS Alice Lilly M Eastbourne 2b 113
Collier Lily Amelia Eastbourne 2b 113
Herd Walter Eastbourne 2b 113
Poole Thomas Eastbourne 2b 113


1911 - gives birthplace as Ryde

Name: Alice Poole
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Prince Of Wales, High St, Ryde, I W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Occupation: Manageress Hotel
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Registration District Number: 93
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 5720
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Poole 27
Alice Poole 29
Winifred Broom 18

I'm guessing she marries Thomas Poole?

Can you see them in 1911?

What occupation is given for her father on her marriage certs?

Maureen

1901 - for ref.

Name: Alice Lily May Andrews
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Patient <<<Looks more like Resident on image
Gender: Female
Where born: Brixton, London, England

Civil parish: Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:General Servant, Domestic

Condition as to marriage:Single


Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: West Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel: St Marys Home
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 934
Folio: 92
Page Number: 6

PigletsPal

We are working completely in the dark on this one. We are looking for Alice Lily May Andrews birth - nothing else. On 1901 census she is shown as being born in Brixton but living in Brighton. We have found someone on Ancestry who has her father as Fred but we do know for sure it was James.

Having seen various marriage & death certificates she has obviously lied about her birth date so she may have been born anywhere between 1879 and 1884. Three of us are working on this and all have hit the brick wall and it's DRIVING US MAD!!

Have you found the actual birth registration via FreeBMD?

If so the registration district is shown in the reference.

Thanks very much Shirley. Very grateful to you.
Regards
Phyll

It would be Lambeth

this site will be handy in your favourites

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/lnd.html

or

Google for Registration Districts in England and Wales

If someone was born in Brixton circa 1870 - 1890 what would be the most likely registration office please.

Many thanks

Phyll