Genealogy Chat

Many thanks for all these replies. I know he did not marry. All the census refs above are correct, and I did realise that he could have been born in Bournemouth or London or wherever. Although I had tried variations in spelling, I do not think I have tried Bertrand. Thanks Kath. I will try that.

Jenny

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965

Name: Annie Bertram
Electoral Year: 1906
Parliamentary Division: Marylebone East
County or Borough: Westminster


living at 65 Queens Road and calling herself 'Mrs Annie Bertram'




and in 1907 she was at 26 Finchley Road, Marylebone as Mrs Annie Bertram

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1891

BERTRAM, Annie Lodger Widow F 36 1855 Dress Maker
Paddington
London VIEW

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Piece:
8 Folio:
127 Page:
46 Registration District:
Paddington

Civil Parish:
Paddington Municipal Borough:
Address:
34, Fernhead Road, Paddington County:
London


(in 1901 she was a Dressmaker)

The birthplace info for 1891 would have been given by the head of the household, who may not have had a clue

If Annie wasn't married, it well be that she went away from home to give birth.

Where was Annie in 1891?

Can we assume that he didn't marry?

I think the child in that entry would have been recorded as age 2 in 1891

1911?

Still born Bournemouth

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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KNOTT, Violet Jane Head Married
28 years F 47 1864 London Camberwell S E VIEW
KNOTT, Ernest Walter Son Single M 20 1891 Assistant Manager London Hampstead NW VIEW
KNOTT, Muriel Violet Daughter F 10 1901 School London Hampstead N W VIEW
KNOTT, Stanley Gerald Thomas Son M 4 1907 London Hampstead N W VIEW
BERTRAM, Dick Boarder Single M 21 1890 Store Keeper Bournemouth Hants VIEW
REX, Elizabeth Lucy Servant Single F 45 1866 Cook Domestic St Pancras London N W VIEW
HESKETH, Sophia Elizabeth Servant Single F 20 1891 Housemaid Domestic Deptford S E London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
619 Reference:
RG14PN619 RG78PN22 RD8 SD1 ED29 SN22

Registration District:
Hampstead Sub District:
Hampstead Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Hampstead

Address:
48 Boundary Road Hampstead NW County:
London

Andy

I know he says born Bournemouth but I notice they are living in St. Marylebone district in 1901. Do you think he could have been born there? There is this birth although the surname is slightly different but could be a mistake:-

Name: BERTRAND, Male (unnamed)
Registration district: Marylebone
County: London
Year of registration: 1889
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 1A
Page no:586

If the 1891 census record that Choccy found is the correct person then it says born London (and I usually find that the place of birth given on the earliest census after birth is usually more likely to be correct.

Kath. x

Was the mother actually a widow? Or was she saving face by referring to herself as one?

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1891

SOUTH, Mary Head Widow F 50 1841 Living On Own Means
Holburn
London VIEW
SOUTH, Emily Daughter Single F 19 1872 Dressamkers Assistant
Morden
Surrey VIEW
SOUTH, Henry Son Single M 15 1876 Assistant Photographer Carbon Department
Morden
Surrey VIEW
>>>>>BERTRAM, Dick Boarder M 1 1890
London VIEW

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Piece:
1052 Folio:
144 Page:
2 Registration District:
Barnet

Civil Parish:
South Mimms Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Bruce Road, South Mimms, Barnet County:
Middlesex

1901 for ref.

Can't see 1891. What name is he recorded as please

1901 England Census
about Dick Bertram
Name: Dick Bertram
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Annie Bertram
Gender: Male
Where born: Bournemouth, Dorset, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 320
Piece: 118
Folio: 85
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Bertram 46
Dick Bertram 11


Andy

Hi,
I am seeking ideas on how I can obtain further info. on the above. I have found him on three censuses for 1891 + 1901.+ 1911. These all indicate a year of birth of c1889.I also have his death certificate which shows his age as 74 in 1963. In 1901 he is living with his widowed mother, Annie Bertram, aged 46.
What I have not found is Dick's birth certificate, despite trying various websites. Nor have I found his parents' marriage certificate. I also know that he had left his eyes for medical research after he died. I have a vague memory that I was told that would delay funeral and burial / cremation. However I have been unable to trace any record at all of burial / cremation.
Like so many things, I should have investigated earlier! Any ideas much appreciated

Jenny