Genealogy Chat

I am looking for the parents of Henry Ball.
The 1911 census has Henry born St Georges East London born abt 1865
The 1901 census has Henry born in Wapping London born abt 1865
I know the 1901 census is correct because of the address and I know
Henry married Charlotte McIntyre in 1893.
I also know Henry's father was a Robert Ball and he was a Shipwright. This I found on Henry's marriage certicate. But I cannot find Henry Ball's birth certificate details anywhere and I cannot link a Robert Ball ...

Please help this is driving me crazy !!! I have ordered a birth certificate for a Henry Ball born in 1868 but i think this is not my Henry, waiting in anticipation ! :-S

It may well be his birth wasn't registered . There were no penalties before 1875 for non registration

Does it tell you anything else on the marriage cert that may help such as occupation of Henry or if Robert is dead or alive ??

Prehaps a middle name for either of them

There is a Henry Ball born 7/8/1858 baptised 6/6/1860 St G in East
parents Robert (shipwright) and Mary Anne of 15 Greenbank
At same time a daughter Maria born 14(?) 5 1860
I wonder if he knew how old he was,or did the census taker get it wrong.
Eileen

Right I,ve found their marriage banns .....which says lots which may help

This is Henry balls second + marriage
charlotte has Mary as second name
Henry is a warehouse man

Could help to find other possible marriage AND census for 1871 81 91

were there children with Charlotte on 1901 or 1911 census

Robert Ball shipwright unemployed and son Henry 1871 27 King St St G in E
Robert 55 born Bristol Henry 12 Errend boy. Robert says married but Mary Anne not there.
Eileen

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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Henry Ball (Warehouseman) (Widower) !!
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Spouse Name: Alice Rebecca Pearson
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Nov 1884
Parish: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Robert Ball (Shipwright)
Spouse Father Name: John Pearson
Register Type: Parish Register



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Paul, Deptford, Register of marriages, P75/PAU, Item 054.

1861

BALL, Robert Head Married M 44 1817 Shifworker (SHIPWRIGHT on original)
Brecklet
Lancashire VIEW
BALL, Mary Ann Wife Married F 43 1818
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Charles Son Unmarried M 22 1839 Sailmaker
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, William Son Unmarried M 21 1840 ...Baker
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Robert Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Errand Boy
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 ...
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Emily Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848 Scholar
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, John Son Unmarried M 9 1852 Scholar
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Francis Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
>>>>>>BALL, Henry Son Unmarried M 3 1858 Scholar
St George East
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Maria Daughter F 0 (11M) 1861
St George East
Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
281 Folio:
98 Page:
22 Registration District:
St George-In-The-East

Civil Parish:
St George East Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Green Bank South Side, St George East County:
London

Deaths Sep 1892 (>99%)
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Ball Alice Rebecca 28 Greenwich 1d 537

Name: Henry Ball
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice R Ball
Gender: Male
Where born: Wapping, London, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 498
Folio: 20
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ball 31
Alice R Ball 27
Alice H Ball 5


1891

That census for 1861 actually says Bristol Gloucestershire!!
Eileen

1851

BALL, Robert Head Married M 34 1817 Shipwright
Bristol VIEW
BALL, Mary Ann Wife Married F 33 1818
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Sarah Jane Daughter F 13 1838 Scholar
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Charles Son M 12 1839 Scholar
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, William Son M 11 1840 Scholar
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Ann Elizh Daughter F 9 1842 Scholar
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Amelia Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Robert Son M 6 1845 Scholar
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Mary Ann Daughter F 4 1847
St George
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, Emily Daughter F 3 1848
St John Wapping
Middlesex VIEW
BALL, John Son M 0 (2 MOS) 1851
St George
Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
1549 Folio:
181 Page:
31 Registration District:
Saint George in the East

Civil Parish:
Saint George East Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
10, Lower Gun Alley, Saint George East, Tower Hamlets County:
Middlesex

Further to Eileen's find re Baptisms of Henry & Maria it looks like another child was baptized on 9 Jun 1860 and is the last entry on the previous page

Caroline born 6 Oct 1856

Looks like poor little Caroline might have died not long after she was baptized.....if she was ill perhaps this prompted the family to have Henry & Maria baptized at the same time
Deaths Jun 1860
BALL Caroline St geo East 1c 294

also Maria's birth date was 19 May 1860

According to the Baptism for Henry he was born 7 Aug 1858 so the following is a possibility for his birth registration

Births Sep 1858
Ball Henry St Geo East 1c 405

Well thanks everybody for your quick responses,

Choccy... the Robert Ball from Lancashire looks like the same family as the Robert Ball from Bristol...could this be right ?

And as Kempina stated was Henry married twice, first to Alice Pearson and then to Charlotte McIntyre,

I know on Henry and Charlottes marrage certificate it has them down as living at number 6 Albion Street, Deptford.

And Henry who was married to Alice was living at number 7 Albion Street Deptord...strange or what !

But according to the 1891 and 1901 census there is a 5 year age difference...still baffled..but many thanks guys !! ;-)

Think the 1861 is mis-transcribed as to Robert's birth place. It's very difficult to read and could be anything!

Think Bristol is probably correct.

Roy the reason I said that he married twice is because in tthe marriage banns for Charlotte it says he was a WIDOWER so guess its a second marriage

The fact that he married what seems to be the girl next door is quite normal in the days with no cars or that fact that they could have been friends before his first wife died