Genealogy Chat

Its a very long time since I posted on these boards, my, how things have changed, at one time I was on here every day and knew the boards and members .

I need to find out if two people are still alive today. I have found them in the electoral registers upto 2006, but nothing after. I subscribe to ancestry but the deaths only cover upto 2005. I know where the two people were living. Is it possible for me in any way to find the deaths or inquire of them if they have died between 2006 and now in Hertfordshire ?

Simon

I don't think that the most poplar sites have deaths up to present day but i think some local sites do,

try google to find an official registry office site for Hertfordshire

also i have not checked myself but try

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

Roy

complete sets of the GRO index are available to view at

Birmingham Central Library
Bridgend Reference and Information Library
City of Westminster Archives Centre
Manchester City Library
Newcastle City Library
Plymouth Central Library
The British Library

The indexes held in the seven sites listed above include:

'Births, Deaths and Marriages from 1837 to 2009'
'Overseas Index: Births, Deaths and Marriages from 1761 to 2009'
'Civil Partnerships from 2005 to 2010'
'Adoptions from 1927 to 2010'
provisional indexes for 'Births and Deaths from January 2010 to June 2011'

Viewing the indexes in your area

Some indexes, although not complete, are also available at other locations including libraries, family history societies, or local record officers.

For the latest information on information available in your area, contact the library or office concerned by viewing the PDF below.

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The above taken from http://goo.gl/3VcnB

Thank you both very much for your replies, I am most grateful.

Simon

Hello, Simon; good to see you :)

You could try writing to the neighbours either side of the address that you found. This is something that I did once and had a positive response.

Good luck.

GRO has decided not to provide updates to any of the FH companies on an ongoing basis citing legal reasons. Thus in future genealogists will need to travel very long distances in some cases. In most countries access to BMD records except direct family members is very restricted for anything from 50 to 100 years. Is the UK going that way ?

The electoral roll in the UK exists in two versions (a) the complete roll which has the details of all people registered to vote and (b) a redacted version not showing the names of people who wish to keep their details private. The "privacy" is ho hum as all registered debt collection companies inc some pretty scruffy ones have access to the full set (for which they pay).

UKGov has a report which recommends the suppression of the redacted ER but has not yet made a decision. It does not follow that should the redacted ER be suppressed that 192.com et al will then have access to the full ER.

Rollo do not know if you remember but up 'til a while ago, when ordering BMDs from GRO there was also a box you had to fill in stating how you were related to the person whose certificate you were ordering.

So if we went back to that it would be a step back. But with Identity Fraud seemingly on the increase I would have no problem with this.

I D fraud has very little if anything to do with the GRO indexes.

The root cause of the problem is that for centuries it was not usual in the UK to demand ID before getting a driving licence, getting married etc etc. The system relied on self declaration and that witnesses knew the people. Passports were one of the very few exceptions to this rule. When I applied for a driving licence I needed no ID.

At the moment a householder can declare whoever he wants as resident for voter registration purposes. There is no validation.

And one can go on and on .... eg it is against ones human rights for the marriage officer to insist that you are who you say you are.

The problem with any kind of system of secure ID is to establish a "ring of trust" . In some EU countries which have had fairly tight systems both for BMD registration and issuance of such documents as vehicle documents, property transfers and passports going back over 100 years this is just about possible on a national scale. For the UK establishing a trusted ID system on a national scale is utterly impossible - all it would do is to create a a great many false IDs inside the ring of trust. Thus rightly the system was canned.

Most criminals wishing to use a false ID do not try to establish one from scratch using BMD records but prefer to use an ID which is linked to money i.e. they are after banking credentials. The usual reason why this succeeds is very poor checking by banks et al. Assuming one has the bank details for Mr L S Dickens the BMD would not be of much help in filling out the details. The ER night help a little. In fact the owner of the info is the usual one to divulge the info by carrying it around in handbag / wallet / cellphone where it is easily nicked or posting on social media. Even then banks etc could do a lot more than they do.

If you want to use a bank card on line by far the best bet is to use one of the cash cards which are often used for holiday foreign money. Any hassle is limited to the cash held in the card, not yr bank ac or credit limit.