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Thanks to everyone. Some of the info I already had, but there is some new stuff which is really interesting, the good old catholic church. Will work through the above info.
Thanks again.
Clare :-D
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Hi Rebecca,
It may be worthwhile putting Nathaniel's details into the Search Trees box above as several members on this site have him in their tree.
You can contact the tree owners for further info. Cx.
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I have Gilchrist names, but if I go further back I find GILKERSON
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Nathaniel and Mary's marriage is in the Catholic records on scotlandspeople and also in the OPRs. This may explain why:
It is entirely possible that banns of marriage for a Catholic couple were called in the (Presbyterian) Church of Scotland. Due to a complicated legal situation, the Church of Scotland was seen as the only legal place for banns to be called. In some cases, this means that you will find a Catholic marriage being recorded in Church of Scotland Old Parish Records (OPRs), however it is highly likely that the marriage actually took place elsewhere in the presence of a Catholic priest. Additionally, it may be that you find a record of a Catholic marriage in the OPRs, but no corresponding record in the Catholic Parish Registers, and this might be due to there being no surviving Catholic Parish Register for that area or time period; or that records were not kept at that point due to the laws against Catholics in force during the 18th and early 19th centuries.
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Since he married in Dundee Angus..it is likely that's where he came from, becasue it was not Mary's Parish..coc she came from Ireland
His crime, by the way was. "Larceny by Servant"..and there is some suggestion. that he died 1841..don't ask me for evidence..its a suggestion.
and Angus is a good old Gilchrist stronghold!! and no i'm not related.
EDIT..by the way..if you look carefully he was married in a Roman catholic Church..Mary O'Hara was lmost certainly a catholic....and if he was too. then you're in trouble, because RC records are rarely publically availabe.
Derek. (Gilchrist)
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Mary jnr's baptism is on familysearch, but father is given as Dan:
child: Mary Gilchrist
name: Mary Gilchrist
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 11 Sep 1831
baptism/christening place: SAINT ANDREWS ROMAN CATHOLIC, DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father's name: Dan Gilchrist
mother's name: Mary O'Hara
indexing project (batch) number: C19067-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 564329
There is also the baptism of another child:
name: George Gilchrist
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 17 Oct 1828
baptism/christening place: SAINT ANDREWS ROMAN CATHOLIC, DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
birth date: 13 Oct 1828
father's name: Nathaniel Gilchrist
mother's name: Mary O'Hara
indexing project (batch) number: C19067-1
system origin: Scotland-VR
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Interestingly, familysearch has his marriage twice. Once in the Parish Church and also in the Catholic church, although one could be banns.
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there are these births but no forname
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 26 Apr 1806 ,? KILDALTON,? ARGYLL,? SCOTLAND
residence: Kildalton,? Argyllshire,? Scotland
parents: Donald Gilchrist,? Bell Cameron
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 13 Aug 1806 ,? Kilmarnock,? Ayr,? Scotland
christening: ,? KILMARNOCK,? AYR,? SCOTLAND
residence: 1806 Kilmarnock,? Ayrshire,? Scotland
parents: Thomas Gilchrist
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 13 Aug 1806 ,? KILMARNOCK,? AYR,? SCOTLAND
parents: Thomas Gilchrist
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 13 Aug 1806 ,? KILMARNOCK,? AYR,? SCOTLAND
parents: Thomas Gilchrist
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 22 Nov 1807 ,? Kells,? Kirkcudbright,? Scotland
christening: ,? KELLS,? KIRKCUDBRIGHT,? SCOTLAND
residence: 1807 Kells,? Kirkcudbright,? Scotland
parents: William Gilchrist,? Jean Millar
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 02 Mar 1807 ,? Kilmarnock,? Ayr,? Scotland
christening: ,? KILMARNOCK,? AYR,? SCOTLAND
residence: 1807 Kilmarnock,? Ayrshire,? Scotland
parents: William Gilchrist
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 02 Mar 1807 ,? KILMARNOCK,? AYR,? SCOTLAND
parents: William Gilchrist
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 02 Mar 1807 ,? KILMARNOCK,? AYR,? SCOTLAND
parents: William Gilchrist
Gilchrist
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
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mary
Civil registration event: Death
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Name: GILCHRIST, Mary
Registration district: [?] Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1851
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 23
Page no: 367
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1841
1841 England Census about Mary Gilchrist
Name: Mary Gilchrist
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Leeds Town
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Leeds North
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1347
Book: 3
Folio: 26
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Nathanl Gilchrist 35
Mary Gilchrist 40
Mary Gilchrist 9
Edward Gilchrist
1851 mary is a widow
1851 England Census about Mary Gilchrist
Name: Mary Gilchrist
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South
ED, institution, or vessel: 3e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 2319
Folio: 433
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Gilchrist 52
Mary Gilchrist 19
Ann Casey
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How do you no he died in Yorkshire?
Deaths Mar 1842
GILCHRIST Nathaniel Shoreditch vol 2 page 284
Roy
unless you have documentary evidence you cannot assume any thing
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Yes its the one that I found.
I have assumed that it was the same person
Clare
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is this his prison record
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Nathaniel Gilchrist
Name: Nathaniel Gilchrist
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Date of Trial: 25 Oct 1839
Trial Year: 1839
Location of Trial: Yorkshire - West Riding, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image
he was sentenced to 6 months
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What I Know:
He was born in 1806 scotland
He died between 1841-1851 in Yorkshire
He married Mary O'Hara 29/10/1827 in Dundee.
He spent time in prision
I would like to find out more -
Where he was actually born
Where he actually died
His parents maybe
Where the name comes from?
Thanks Clare :-)
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