Genealogy Chat

hi
thank you very much for all the info

and yes the baptisms you found for thomas and esthers children were mine
but john and sarah were baptist also in nottingham
lorraine

hi
thank you very much for all the info

and yes the baptisms you found for thomas and esthers children were mine
but john and sarah were baptist also in nottingham
lorraine

Although much later than your query, one of mine was baptised twice, once as a babe, and later on his admission to school.

The Admission form which has survived within the family states that his dob was 'declared' (his birth wasn't registered). We suspect he was baptised the 2nd time aged 8-9 hoping that the bap certificate would be accepted as proof of age.

- just to add that the parish relief system meant that when someone fell on hard times, the parish officers would check which parish they "belonged" to - i.e. where they were baptised. If that was a different parish, then the individual would have to go back to where they were baptised in order to seek relief.

- I do recall seeing a thread some time ago where it was clear that one family had had their children baptised in every village they travelled through, which it seemed was more at the family's choice than just enthusiastic clergy...

One Public Family tree on ancestry suggests that Sarah "probably" died July 1811

from www.familysearch.org/


taken from the actual Parish Registers.

I don't know whether all these are yours!!



John Litherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 18 Jun 1810 BARROW UPON SOAR,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
parents: Thos. Litherland, Esther


Sarah Litherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 18 Jun 1810 BARROW UPON SOAR,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
parents: Thos. Litherland, Esther


Elizabeth Litherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 20 Dec 1813 SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
parents: Thomas Litherland, Esther


Ann Litherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 Dec 1815 SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
death: 26 Feb 1818
parents: Thomas Litherland, Esther


George Leatherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 Oct 1820 SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
death: 10 Jun 1821
parents: Thomas Leatherland, Esther


William Leatherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 03 May 1818 SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
parents: Thomas Leatherland, Esther


Harriett Litherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 06 Jan 1822 SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
parents: Thomas Litherland, Easter


Selina Leatherland
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 22 Feb 1824 SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
parents: Thomas Leatherland, Esther





sylvia

I have actually seen records where it is obvious that one person had been baptised twice


It could be for several reasons ......................

If the baby was sickly at birth there could have been a private baptism, carried out by any adult present ............... then there could be a second public baptism at a later date

The parents could have wanted it done in "their" own churches, OR wanted it done in their home village as well as the parish they were living in.

The second baptism could be done much later than the first one ............ this seems to have been because an employer or future spouse (or spouse's family) wanted proof that the person had been baptised.

Of course, there is always the possibility that it is not 2 baptisms for 1 child but 2 children, the first having died and the second receiving the same name .......... but those would be in different years of course.


I have seen several variations on all the above themes.




sylvia

As Reggie says "The Church of England allows a person to be baptised once only."

Have you seen the actual parish records? If all you have seen is an extract, then there is another ceremony that often appears in baptismal registers, namely being received into the church and being presented to the congregation. I don't have an English example handy, but this is a C of E example. The registers differ from the preprinted English ones specified by Lord Rose's Act.

Two entries from the parish register of Gaspé Anglican Church - I think the Anglican church was known as the Church of England in Canada at that time.

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Clarence John, son of John Francis Minchinton of the North West Arm, Gaspé. and of Beatrice Isobel (Olsen) his wife, was born on the sixth and was baptized on the thitieth day of September A.D. nineteen hundred and eight.

By me
J. W. Wayman
Rector

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Clarence John, son of John Francis Minchinton of the North West Arm, Gaspé. and of Beatrice Isobel (Olsen) his wife, having been privately baptized, was received into the Church on the fifteenth day of July A.D. nineteen hundred and nine.

By me
J. W. Wayman
Rector

Beatrice Minchinton
The Mother

Clemence Olson } Sponsors
Clarence Olson }

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No records on the IGI for baptisms in 1810+/- 2 years in Nottingham

Have you looked at the baptisms on the IGI on familysearch.org? It could be where the other person has got their information from.

That has the children of Thomas and Esther Leatherland as:

John and Sarah both baptised 1810 in Barrow upon Soar

Elizabeth 1813; Ann 1815; William 1818 and George 1820 all in Nottingham

Do the baptisms refer to the same childen, or did some children die and were other children baptised with names of their earlier siblings.?

Baptism could happen at any time, so not always for a new-born.

Gwyn

The Church of England allows a person to be baptised once only.

What is the source of the baptism records you are quoting?

hi jonesey
thank you very much
i meant to put 1851 census not 1841
lorraine

In the 1841 census a person's birthplace was not specifically detailed. The only indication being whether or not the place in which they were born was in the same county as the place they were now living.

Even if the Thomas (b1810) was living in Barrow on Soar in 1841 a tick in the right hand column of the census form only indicates that he was born in Leicestershire, not Barrow on Soar.

It is also worth remembering that generally (But not always) the ages of those over 15 years old were adjusted down to the nearest 5 or 0 (E.g. actual age 15~19, recorded age = 15). If Thomas was born in 1809 then his age in 1841 should have been recorded as 20.

As far as having your child baptised more than once this is of course possible but probably not that likely I would have thought.

hi andy
thank you very much
lorraine

If both parents had strong links to seperate churches, I would think it was very possible. Also possible that the families changed religous views at some point and felt the need to have a second baptism.

Andy

hi all
do you think it was possible that parents would have 2 of there children baptist twice

thomas and esther married in nottingham in 1808
sarah born 1808 baptism 1808 in nottingham
thomas baptist 1809 nottingham
john baptist 1811 nottingham

now some very nice person thinks thomas and esther had sarah and john baptist in 1810 in leicester
[but no thomas]
but in the 1841 census the thomas 1810 says he was born in leicester [barrow upon soar] which sarah and john baptism took place in 1810
do you think they could of done

lorraine :-D