Genealogy Chat

this is the 1851 from ancestry
cannot find it on fmp
there is a child ann apparentley born in Hamberg, middle name cousin,
I thinlk it should be Hampshire and could cousin mean cousin ?

The child William has been transcribed as Hape but is listed as son. He cannot be the son of the child nurse. Could he be the son of the head of the household.

Not looking for lookups as names have been posted before, just for someone to view the image and help with interpretation please.

Name: Thomas Toredgate
[Thomas Tredgold]
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Toredgate
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentonville St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image

Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 1518
Folio: 267
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Toredgate 29
Martha Toredgate 27
Thos Clark Toredgate 4
Eliza Jane Toredgate 2
Ann Cousin Toredgate 11
Georgena Mary Hape 2
William Hape 2 Days

thank you
maddie

FMP transcription - I would think Ann is probably a cousin

1851

RG number: HO107
Piece: 1518
Folio: 267
Page: 24
Reg. District: Clerkenwell
Sub District: Pentonville
Parish: Clerkenwell
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Saint James Pentonville
City/Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: 3, Winchester Street New, Clerkenwell, Finsbury
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TREDGALD, Thomas Head Married M 29 1822 Mason
Hampshire
TREDGALD, Martha Wife Married F 27 1824
Hampshire
TREDGALD, Thomas Clark Son M 4 1847
Clerkenwell, Middlesex
TREDGALD, Eliza Jane Daughter F 2 1849
Clerkenwell, Middlesex
TREDGALD, Ann Cousin F 11 1840
Hampshire
HUPE, Georgena May Nurse Child F 2 1849
Kent
HUPE, William Son M 0 (2 DAYS) 1851
Clerkenwell

this looks like William's birth registration


Births Jun 1851

Tredgold William Clerkenwell 3 130

this is the 1861 census -

1861

RG number: RG09
Piece: 133
Folio: 32
Page: 8
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Islington West
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 48
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Albion Street, Islington
County: London


FREDGOLDS, Thomas Head Married M 39 1822 Stone Mason
Woodhouse, Hampshire
FREDGOLDS, Martha Wife Married F 37 1824
Andover, Hampshire
FREDGOLDS, Thomas Son M 14 1847 Errand Boy
Andover, Hampshire
FREDGOLDS, Eliza S Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
Clerkenwell, Middlesex
FREDGOLDS, William Son M 10 1851 Scholar
Clerkenwell, Middlesex

thanks choccy
Ithat is really helpful

got to find ann now
Maddie

Ann's birth -


Births Jun 1839

Tredgold Ann Andover 7 31

this could be Ann Tredgold in 1841


RG number: HO107
Piece: 411
Book/Folio: 5A/20
Page: 8
Reg. District: Andover
Sub District: Andover
Parish: Andover
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Andover
Address: Woodhouse, Andover
County: Hampshire


COLEBROOK, Jane F 35 1806 Hampshire
COLEBROOK, Jane F 10 1831 Hampshire
COLEBROOK, Joseph M 7 1834 Hampshire
TREDGOLD, Ann F 55 1786 Hampshire
TREDGOLD, Mary F 20 1821 Hampshire
TREDGOLD, Thomas M 15 1826 Hampshire
>>>>TREDGOLD, Ann F 2 1839 Hampshire
TREDGOLD, Eliza F 15 1826 Hampshire

yes i think that is her, looks like she could be a cousin rather than directly related
thanks again
maddie

Maddie,
I will PM you with the actual census rather than the transcript

Anne

Maddie,
I Forgot to say...
Re- 1851 census that I have sent you.
The whole page is written in the same enumerator's hand,
I cannot read Georgina Mary's last name, but it does not say HAPE.
Look at the letter H in Hampshire.... entirely different form.

NB. I think that Georgina is a 2yr old "Nursing Child" rather than a child nurse.
27yr old Martha was possibly a short term Wet Nurse to this infant.

Anne

A possible for the nurse child?

Georgiana Mary Thorpe
daughter of George Thorpe and Mary Thorpe
baptised 28 May 1849
at St Pancras Old St Pancras, Camden

The term "nurse child" just means foster child. Nothing to do with nursing i.e. breastfeeding.

Maddie - if you have the census ref - here:

RG number: HO107
Piece: 1518
Folio: 267
Page: 24

on either FMP or Ancestry, you can always find them on the other site.
On FMP, click on the census ref search link in the lower right corner of the full person search box, and you can enter the ref and see all the names on the page. Alternatively, on Ancestry, you can enter the ref in the bottom of the advanced search box (with nothing else entered) to see the names on that page - on Ancestry, you have to be doing an old style search - the old/new style switch is usually just under the main banner nar at right.
(If it's not select Search - Search all records from the main banner bar to get it to appear - I recommend checking the exact matches only box).

thank you for that information
I never knew how to search by reference.Nice to learn something new.
Having spent yesterday delving into the people on the 1841 census keep coming up with the Colebrooks so will keep me occuied for a while.
Thank you all for your help
regards
Maddie