Genealogy Chat

Hi Chris,

Many thanks. It is good.

Cheers, Steven.

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMain.jsp

(sometimes above can be useful, look for Place and Map Search, left hand side)

Chris :)

Hi everyone, many thanks for giving me some website addresses of maps. It is helpful. Now I understand where it was.

I am trying to see if Duddy's Rents was close to Brewers St Islington (it was gone and I have found Brewers St map few months ago) where John Johnson was lived there in 1838.

Kath: Thanks for finding the census of Mary Ann Johnson. I am not sure about her. I will research on her if she was related to John.

Here`s JannieAnnie`s hit
PROTESTANT INSTITUTE RAGGED SCHS. Institute opened two schs. in 1851 mainly for children of R.C.s. One in Duddy's Rents, Lower Rd.: 1853 a.a. 93 BGI. One in Parsley Ct., Islington High Street: a.a. 38, also evg. sch. (fn. 16)

http://mapco.net/cross1861/cross17.htm
shows a free school just S of Church St & W of Lower St.

NB It`s Essex ROAD on a modern map.

- and then more built up in 1837, but still with a fair amount of open ground around:

http://mapco.net/cary1837/cary12b.htm

- and again in 1817:

http://mapco.net/darton1817/darton03b.htm

From Pam's suggestion, see this map -
http://mapco.net/cary1795/cary.htm

for the area in 1795, when Islington looks as if it was largely gardens etc round the church (top row, 5th square along from the left hand edge).

Googling for Duddy's Rents Islington comes up with the National Archives partial street index for Islington 1841, but in the P-R section. Looking back, I found that it was listed under "Ross Place and House" and gave this ref:

HO107/664, book 10.

This is part of district 24, which covered the area on the west side of Lower Street (as said above, on current maps as Essex Street) from the Baker's shop (..at...?) the corner of the Green to Cross Street, including various streets off Lower Street, including Church Passage.

These can be found on modern maps. Googling for Islington Green takes you to the junction of the A1 and the A104, which forms the southern boundary of district 24. Following up Essex Street takes you up to Cross Street, which forms the northern boundary (note that the link posted by Janet, to the Booth 1898 map, takes you straight to Cross Street).

If you want to (try) to compare old maps with new then this site can be useful - have located St Mary's, Islington - but it doesn't give all of the street names on the old maps.

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=view_booth_and_barth&args=531460,183996,1,large,1

Janet

Not sure if this helps

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=9063
(see Protestant Institute)

Janet

This is a good site for old maps of London -

http://mapco.net/london.htm

-unfortunately I don't think you can search by name.

The name Lower Road was changed to Essex Street.
Hope this helps

Pam

Just had a look on the 1841 census and Lower Road Islington seems to have been in St. Mary's, so if there is still a St. Mary's in Islington then it is likely to be around that area.

EDIT - Don't know if she's anything to do with your man but there is a Mary Ann Johnson aged 40 (rounded down) living in Lower Street on the 1841 census.

Kath. x

Looking on Google it seems to have been in Lower Road, but I can't see that on an up to date map.

Kath. x

It was in London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 from Ancestry UK.

It was John Johnson in 16 Feb 1840.

I would get an addy from the census after Duddy's Rents, and one before, then assume the actual location fell between the 2 addy's I'd just gotten.

In what context have you found this name? Is it an address on a census? If so can you give us more details so we can have a look?

Kath. x

I am unable to find a map of Duddy's Rents. I googled it but it does not help.

Anyone know where it was in 1840s?